Do I need a release agent?


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This is probably a silly question, but to use the unimould system on a epoxy coating resin finished plug, do I need to use a release agent before putting down the first tooling coat?

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James
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Yes. and on a new mould/plug use plenty.

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Would you recommend I be using PVA or easy-lease? (this is the first time the pattern will be used)
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I am an Easy Lease convert ha ha. It is brilliant stuff, that's all I use these days. It is quick and easy to apply and I have never had a difficult de-mould since.
One bit of advice, if you go that route store the tin in a sealed bag when not in use as it absorbs moisture which shortens its shelf life considerably. The bag EC ship it in is perfect. On a new mould/plug apply 5 or 6 coats. Also spend as much time as you can finishing/polishing the plug not only will the finished part be better but it will release easier too.

Regards Warren

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Hi James,

Not much to add really, I'd offer the same advice as Warren. You would need release agent on the epoxy coating resin covered pattern; several coats on a new mould, just as he's said. It will be a pretty reliable release though (polyester and vinylester really don't like sticking to epoxy).

All the best, Matt

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Many thanks, will get an order in today!

James
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I am getting ready to make some molds.....I have the plugs all done except for wwet sanding and polishing. I understand I should use 4-5 coats of easylease. My question is ... Should I also wax the plug? If I should what order should the plug be waxed and easyleased?  I guess the same question should be asked about making the actual C/F parts from the molds.

Thanks,   Dennis
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Hi Dennis,
                It really depends on what your plug is made from and what you have used as the final finish coat on the plug Resin, 2K Primer etc. If you are confident about the bond between the plug base material and the finish coat then Easy Lease should be fine. Having said that there is nothing wrong with some extra security. I sometimes wax after applying Easy Lease just to be sure particularly if it is a high value item like a car bonnet that I am moulding from. The downside is that you will probably have to spend a little more time bringing the mould up to a high gloss after de-moulding.

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The finish is 2k primer over body filler. So it "should" have a good bond. I did find out what happens when you don't have a good bond between the underlying materials. I had the plug finished and pulled a fiberglass part from the plug to use so I could fit and trim it to the car. I figure when the final C/F part is made it should fit inside the fiberglass part and I can transfer how it is cut to fit so I don't wreck the C/F piece. 

When I prepped the plug I used wax then I used easylease on the part....guess that was wrong. I was thinking this was the correct order because if you use PVA you wax first then put the PVA on. I was thinking the Easylease just replaced the PVA. The part did release fairly easy but the underling materials peeled. I had to peel it off completly and start the finishing again. I think I would have been ok if I would have made the mold from the plug instead of a fiberglass part. even though it would have peeled and wrecked the plug I don't care about the plug once the mold is made.

Dennis
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Hi Dennis,

Mmmm, yes, the sequence if you use Easy-Lease and wax together is very importantly  Easy-Lease first, wax second. If you do it the other way round the Easy-Lease will effectively remove the wax but at the same time contaminate the Easy-Lease so you've got neather a was or a chemical release agent barrier. In the correct order there is no reason why the release shouldn't be perfect, leaving both the pattern and the mould as they were.

--Matt

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