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"Print through" residue left on mold surface after demold.
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seense
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Hi!
When molding carbon parts with high Vf (>50%) the fibres touching the mold are leaving a residue on my mold surface. I don't know why this is happening. I just bought easy lease release agent, but it also happened with wax (Partall). In fact I thought the Partall wax had aged so I bought Easy Lease thanks to this forum. But unfortunately no difference. The parts are demolding easy though with easy lease.
I have been using different curing processes: 24h room temp, 48h room temp, 24h 30 degrees C, 48h 30 degrees C. All with the same outcome: a residue on the mold. The molds are machined of PU toolingboard (Renshape) and polished to a mirror surface. Epoxies used are L + GL2 / S / L and EPH161 from R&G. When making a hand layup of one ply of carbon without compaction there is no printthrough and also no residue on the mold surface after demolding just like when using a gelcoat prior to the lay up. So it looks like the problem is related to the compaction of the fibre or it maybe an epoxy problem.
In the video of the small bonnet Easycomposites doesn't use a gelcoat either. Is there also a residue left on the mold? Or is this problem related to the used epoxy? I don't mind a little print through on the part but the problem is that I have to repolish the mold and re apply the easy lease which eliminates the advantage of a semi perm.
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I'm a bit hesitant to post because I don't know if this will help or hinder you, but I'll share my experience and you can decide if it helps you.
I have tried numerous brands and types of release agents with the Marbocote tool sealer, from Marbocote to Frekote to Zyvax Flex-Z to Zyvax Enviroshield. All if them worked perfectly, no issues whatsoever. I can't say that Easylease would be the same, however knowing how chemical release agents work leads me to believe that it would be fine.
That said, I am somewhat in doubt that the lack of a sealer is your issue. For one, Easylease is supposed to be a 1-part system that includes a sealer. So whilst the application of a separate sealer shouldn't hinder the performance, I'm somewhat sceptical that it would actually aid it much if at all. And secondly, I have used all the aforementioned release agents with and without sealer. The Zyvax Flex-Z is more like the Easylease in that is has an inbuilt sealer, but the Frekote and the Marbocote are supposed to be used in combination with a sealer. There is no difference in release between the Frekote/Marbocote with or without a sealer. It releases just fine without the sealer, and it release just fine with the sealer. The only difference I have noticed is that it extends the life of the film. So instead of the 5 or 6 easy pulls that I will get without a sealer, I will get 9 or 10 easy pulls from the mould if I apply the sealer first. That's the only difference I can notice, everything else is exactly the same.
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"Print through" residue left on mold surface after demold.
seense
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9 Years Ago
My initial thoughts are it might well be a problem with the surface of the board in combination with...
Warren (Staff)
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9 Years Ago
Thanks for your reply. It's renshape 5173 (1200 kg/m3). The supplier told me that this type doesn't...
seense
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9 Years Ago
Unfortunately it's difficult for us to comment on what might be causing this issue because we don't...
Matt (Staff)
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9 Years Ago
Thanks for pointing me in that direction and good to know you didn't have the problem in the video....
seense
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9 Years Ago
Adding a little heat isn't the problem i guess since the problem also occurs when curing at room...
seense
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9 Years Ago
I'm a bit hesitant to post because I don't know if this will help or hinder you, but I'll share my...
Hanaldo
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9 Years Ago
Thanks! Appreciating every input and experience. Semi perms and RTM are new to me. After the last...
seense
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9 Years Ago
My gut feeling is that the issue will be chemical, like Matt was alluding to. I have had similar...
Hanaldo
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9 Years Ago
Problems are gone! I guess my molds needed more coats of Easy Lease during break in time? Anyhow I...
seense
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9 Years Ago
update: Apparently the easy lease tin was already a bit old when I got it. :(. So when I got it I...
seense
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9 Years Ago
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