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why does the bag loosen up when resin starts flowing???
why does the bag loosen up when resin starts flowing???
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Trying to figure out how to keep the bag to stay tight all the way through the infusion process. there’s absolutely no leaks before we start infusing the resin. But as soon as we open up the resin inlet line the inlet side/area of the bag loosens up and it really never get a tight until the resin starts to gel. Anyone have this issue or does anyone know how to fix this issue. I’m finding small pitting on the surface and only on the inlet side so i’m guessing g it’s happening from the bag being loose on that side.
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In that case, it's possible that the inlet side is being a little starved of resin and it's more likely if your part is quite small.
Try doing things the other way around and leave the inlet port open a little while after clamping the exit. Assuming that everything's air tight, I wouldn't worry too much regarding the looseness around the inlet, as things will consolidate well once the vacuum level equalised after close-off and any excess resin will likely be removed along with your stack materials
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why does the bag loosen up when resin starts flowing???
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
It's caused by uneven vacuum inside the bag. Can you post a photo of your layup?
Hanaldo
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6 Years Ago
I don’t have a photo as of now, But basically if you had a 2x2 square and on one side had a resin inlet manifold running along the entire edge and then on the opposite side of that had a vaccum...
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
had a lot of auto corrects in that last message please let me know if it dosnt make since... 🤦🏻♂️
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
Is the resin pot on the same height or higher than the part? In this case resin will flow into the part by itself which results in pooling. Keep the resin pot lower, and maybe don't fully open the...
SleepingAwake
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6 Years Ago
yes the resin pot is always siting on the same table as the part, which is the same height. I will set the pot lower if not in the ground and slowly open the resin inlet hose and slowly flow the resi...
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
The unevenness in bag tightness is quite normal Basically, once the resin begins to flow, the inlet side will only be at the ambient pressure of the incoming resin. Once the whole set-up is...
MarkMK
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6 Years Ago
Thanks for the info MarkMK, Yes we do already give it a resin break, but one thing we are doing is clamping off the inlet line first and a minute later clamping off the exit. No resin is traveling...
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
No resin gasses off only at the flow front where the pressure is low. The resin break, while being a very good thing, does not do anything for your problem...
SleepingAwake
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6 Years Ago
In that case, it's possible that the inlet side is being a little starved of resin and it's more likely if your part is quite small. Try doing things the other way around and leave the inlet port...
MarkMK
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6 Years Ago
Loss of bag tightness is caused by the pressure gradient between the vacuum port and the resin port. the resin port needs to be restricted to prevent it's pressure dropping to ambient. Link below...
FrankZane
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6 Years Ago
I'd be a touch wary of taking-in everything you might see on You Tube and potentially introducing methods that are unnecessary and counter-productive I'm not doubting the findings, but I don't think...
MarkMK
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6 Years Ago
thanks for the advice again MarkMK We have been getting almost near perfect parts once we lowered our resin pot lower than the mold and restricting the resin flowing in just a little bit. Not to the....
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
Not quite the right conclusion there regarding acetone and clear coating. If the parts are fully cured, they are completely inert - acetone will not remove any resin at all. It can hurt the gloss...
Hanaldo
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6 Years Ago
thanks for your feedback Hanaldo, Yes thinking the part wasn’t fully cured then because the acetone cleaning before clear coated actually didn’t open up more pinholes and dryness look before applying...
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
I would really like to sit down and watch exactly how you do one part, step by step, so I can get down to the bottom of exactly what we’re doing wrong. haha
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
My technique varies from part to part, based on what I am trying to achieve and the actual geometry of the part. For the most part I agree with Mark and I don't like to restrict the resin inlet, it....
Hanaldo
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6 Years Ago
Ok will try that on the next one. We did lock off vacuum line and left inlet open for like a minute or two but maybe will go a little longer. We also switch over to using MTI hose for our vacuum/ exi...
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
Yeh MTI hose is great for getting the hang of things, you can sort a lot of other parts of the process out while that takes care of more technical decisions like brake zone size and placement. Once....
Hanaldo
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6 Years Ago
Yah I like the fact of keeping vacuum on without drawing out any resin. Will see what we get on these next couple of parts going to try locking off vacuum and allowing more resin to flow in before...
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
I'd bet that the cleaning removed the spray adhesive from the surface and left you with the spray texture on the part. What spray tack did you use and are you sure you didn't use too much of it? Some...
SleepingAwake
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6 Years Ago
never tried that one, we are using the fibertack and applying a very thin coat just to hold the material in place. And then using es99 to hold the rest in place.
mscomposites
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6 Years Ago
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