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Hello, I have been reading everything I can find about composites but I haven't found any type of equation/calculator for determining composite thickness requirements. I know different resins, etc. have a bearing on the strength but, there's got to be a "safe" relation between how much composite equals the strength of an object made of steel/aluminum. I am trying not to waste too much material and loose the weight saving of making parts out of composites. I'm also not looking to make parts that risk my life on (bike frames, control arms), just automotive body panels, intake manifold or a pickup tonneau cover.  I think a formula wouldn't be too hard that would make parts safely 15-20% strong than OEM and still have a substantial weight savings. For example: How thick would a fender need to be if it was made out of e-glass or carbon fiber vs. OEM sheet metal?  I know a wheel well would have to thicker to survive a rock from the tire tread at speed, but how thick? Would a layer or two of kevlar add to 2mm of e-glass be good or over-kill?  Everywhere I see PSI tensile strength,etc. but does it mean that I would need half the thickness of an aluminum bracket if the fiberglass is twice the metal's strength rating?

Thank you for your time, hope to hear back from you soon.
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The general rule of thumb for carbon is to match the thickness. So if you've got a 1mm thick ali/steel part, replacing it with a 1mm thick carbon part will give you an equal strength part for significantly less weight. 

That's the general principal that I follow when replacing panels. Match the thickness, and add a bit if you want it to be a bit stronger and don't mind the additional weight. That is for tensile strength though, calculating things like impact strength isn't quite so easy. I find that comes with experience, you just get a 'feeling' for how strong something needs to be. 
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  Thanks for the replies, I have asked so many suppliers/manufacturers and they have "no clue", HUH? How can they sell/recommend stuff they don't know anything about/use.  
   As for the carbon fiber, that is good to know. I haven't used it yet mainly have done fiberglass repairs trucks/boats and wasn't sure as to how much I would need/buy. I'm in the US so shipping/cost currently has it out of my reach to make any large projects.  I was surprised to see how little carbon fiber Matt used to make the hood in the video.

   Any guesstimates on fiberglass/metal equivalents??? I have an older dodge pickup that the aftermarket doesn't make parts for, so I want to make my own. The aftermarket fiberglass hoods (chevy/fords) I've seen seem very thick( excessively heavy), so I wasn't sure if they were over engineered for strength since they mainly use CSM. The fenders I don't see needing to be too thick since it will mainly have to deal with air pressure and just has to be stiff enough. The hood would have to deal with the weight of snow during the winter months. If you had to make the hood in the video out of fiberglass, what weight cloth/ how many layers would you guys use?

An off subject question... Do you guys always use models??? 99% of my parts are going to be "1 of 1", so making a mold seems like a waste of $$$ plus finding a place to store multiple molds?
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