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Hi Matt

I totally agree with you.

The single most important thing I have learned from you is the turning off of the vacuum pump. Thats a scarey deal if you don't have your confidence up.Who would ever think of closing off the lines in the first place! It wouldn't have occurred to me. The first time I did and got no pinholes I became a believer. (of course the resin viscosity was the other part of the puzzle I had to overcome. Heating the mold and the resin first).

Yes for compaction and strength you want the pump running, but for cosmetic parts it is a totally different story.

Thanks Again!

Fred
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I spoke with Matt this afternoon about spray tack, they are just waiting on it being shipped over.
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Hi Matt, 


Yes absolutely! clears it up for me thanks alot. I have no doubt you guys have the experience, thats what I posted there as well, as well as explaining your method to those who were confused. I would like my parts cosmetically perfect and thus have been pretty much solely following your instructions. 


I was skeptical about the fact that some people like to leave the pump on for several reasons, main one being that too much resin will be drawn out, but theres no danger of pulling all of it (or much more than intended) out? I thought that if you pull too much the structural integrity will be compromised. May sound silly, but as said I'm new to this. 


In my other post in the vacuum infusion starter kit section it becomes apparent that I'm new, yet have learnt very well what my mistakes were and will not be repeating them. Learning by doing so to speak. 


My part consumed a lot of resin, due to the bridging of the carbon itself. I was initially under the impression that the fabric conforms to the surface of the mould. After experiencing the contrary and thinking it over that the vacuum pressure is uniform, I now know that it does not. 



http://www.talkcomposites.com/1419/Some-questions-on-my-first-resin-infusion?Keywords=Some%20opinions%20this%20thread

Warren posted that you will be stocking some sort of tack in near future, when will it be available? Could you give me some tips on how to place the fiber into my rather complex mould? gelcoat with some sort of activator, or something like 3M spray glue? I feel a bit clueless. I have been doing research on this matter, thats how I came across the other forum. Yet it has a lot of contradictory information. 

Upon checking the website I see they offer a repositionable adhesive spray, 3M 75 industrial. I'm guessing something like that is what I'm looking for. 

Thanks alot,

Fabian
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Hi Fabian,

Some people on the Composites Central thread may be missunderstanding what that video is about. In this particular video we're showing people how to make a part that's consmetically 'perfect' i.e. with no pin-holes or air bubbles and the only way to do that (in our experience, of which we have a lot) is to start with a perfectly sealed bag and then clamp of both lines (at which point you might as well switch the pump off because it's not doing anything).

If you leave the vacuum line open and the pump running you will bleed too much resin out of the laminate to have a perfect surface finish, you will get tiny pin holes at the intersection of the nodes and there's nothing you can do about it. That's fine if you're making structural parts for a plane, boat, car etc., in fact in those situations it's even preferable because you'll have a slightly lighter part but you won't have the same surface finish that you would get from the process shown in this video.

If you read our standard text guide about how resin infusion is done we even explain that the vacuum line is left open and the pump is left running, this is the traditional way to do resin infusion and there's nothing wrong with it, you just won't get the quality of surface finish that you will if you start with a sealed bag, clamp off and leave. So, choose the method that gets the results you want; for the very lightest possible parts leave the pump running, for the best surface finish clamp it off.

Different people will always have different opinions and it's great that they share them and contribute to widening knowledge generally. We put forward ways that work for us and have the highest chance of working for other people too. I hope that clears it up for you.

Matt Statham
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Hi guys, was browsing the net looking for some information on this and that. Came across the composites central forum and read a post regarding the EC video on perfect resin infusion and the ensuing discussion. 

http://www.compositescentral.com/showthread.php?t=5092


They question some of the methods in the video, some say to leave the pump running til gelation/cure, others dont. 



Care to take a read of the short thread and give some feedback? 

It has definitely caused me some confusion. 

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