How close should the breather be?


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The reason that I wonder if one should use the breather on the whole part is that I found the guy you, Joe linked in another thread about how to build a bike-frame. That guy in video 3 doesn't wrap the breather around it, but just put the breather next to the plug.  It's projectjunkie on youtube

I first saw this video a month ago and when I received the CF I did as he did, but I never got any excess resin into the breather. 

I think I understand now why I didn't

/ Marcus
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Hi,

If you wrap your breather all over your part (well, on your peelply, actually), it will give an even amount of pressure all over your part. I dont know anyone complaining for using breather could lead to the fabric not being completely applied on the mould.

Hope it helped.

 



 


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Ok, so I will cover the whole part then. 
But won't the breather make it hard to really press the CF against the plug?  I mean, eventhough that I use vacuum the thickness and "softness" in the breather will make it harder for the vacuum to really press the CF really tight against the plug?

I have read the other thread here on frame-building and I have seen other threads on the Internet too, but they are not saying how to do the parts in a way I need to know. 

/ Marcus
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Ok, you should wrap the breather all around you’re part just like you do with the peal ply.

Also, there’s at least one more topic talking about bike frames in this forum, unfortunately I don’t remember where I read it, but it even points you some YouTube videos about composite bike frames building.  
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I'm building a bikeframe (to use in triathlon). 
I will build each "pole" individually and then join them togeather in a jig. 
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Please tell as what you are trying to built. It will be easier to advice you.

But yeah, if you don’t place de breather covering completely the part, the excess of matrix and air won’t have any opportunity to escape anywhere. The breather serves tow major purposes, to guarantee that the air and vapours from the matrix can bee vacuum up and to absorb the excess of matrix.

The peal ply just make it possible to place the breather on top of the part without sticking to it, as the same time that it permits the air, vapours and excess of matrix to flow from the part to the breather.  

You don’t really need two layers of peal ply, although some time you should use more than one layer of breather (if you think that the CF is just to soaked whit matrix).

But like I stated above, if you tell as what your building, it will be easier to advice you.


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Thanks.

The reason I'm asking is that I don't use a mould and therefor the surface that are facing the peel-ply and breather is my outside.
I'm a bit "afraid" that I will get wrinkles on the surface if I put the breather on top of it, but naturally it's more important to get the excess-resin out.

But will I get wrinkles?

Yesterday I used peel-ply more than one lap around the piece and I just put the breather on the side and naturally nothing happened with the breather.
I mean, I got the vacuum all right, but the resin was kept in the part.

Should I just lay the breather on top of it, or should I wrap the piece one lap as I did with the peel-ply?

I don't use a mould, but the piece is laying by it self in the vacuum-bag

/ Marcus
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The piece of breather fabric that you are going to use mast be larger than the part itself. So it must be al over it and beyond it a little bit. Don’t forget to cover the part whit peal ply (or equivalent) before you lay the breather otherwise it will stick badly to the part.
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I just started vacuum-bagging my CF and I wonder if the breather should only slightly touch the piece or should the breather be all over it?

/ Marcus
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