Question about reducing resin fill times for a VARTM project


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I am currently doing a DIY project of making an extended swim platform for my boat.  The platform is fairly large measuring 8 feet x 4 feet (2.4 m x 1.2 m).  I am making a mold from a plug and then will make the actual 'part' from the mold.  The platform design is of moderate complexity, having a step-down section to it and 'pylons' on the sides. The total area of fiberglass is about 40 sq. ft. (3.8 sq m) due to the complexities of shape.  I plan on using VARTM in order to achieve good conformity of the fiberglass to the various shapes of the platform, and hopefully to apply the resin in one step vs. a more labor intensive process of hand layup.

I'll be using polyester resin to make the mold and vinyl ester to make the part.  One concern right now is finding ways to reduce the 'fill' time of the VARTM mold/bag considering that poly resin has a fairly short 'open' time as compared to VE or epoxy resin.  In order to get a reasonable thickness of laminate, I plan on using 3 layers of 1.5 oz chopped stand mat. Then I will add stiffeners and reinforcements as hand layup after the vacuum bagging is complete.   I figure that the faster I can get resin into the mold/bag and going through the flow media to all areas of the mold, then the more time the resin has to flow into and saturate the fiberglass.  My plan is to have lots of resin runners throughout the mold so that the resin does not have to travel very far.

One idea that I am considering is to pressurize the resin pot slightly, which is more typical of an RTM process, so that the resin is drawn through the tubing and into the runner system and flow media by both the vacuum from the bag and the pressure from the resin pot.  I have done some searching and have not found much in terms of trials and experimentation of actually putting pressure into the resin pot, rather than merely relying on vacuum.

My thinking is that with just vacuum to move the resin from the pot to the mold, you are limited to 1 atmosphere of pressure.  With both vacuum and pressure in the pot, you can go beyond 1 atmosphere of pressure.  (within reason of course).

I am wondering if anyone has thoughts, comments, or experience in using both vacuum and pressure to get the resin to move to where it needs to go faster than it normally would with just vacuum?  Thanks in advance for any comments/insight/adverse effects.


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tpenfield

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Search directly for inhibitor instead of searching in shops you already know.
I got mine from phd24.de.
There are too many good products out there to stick to a few shops.

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oekmont - 2/15/2019 1:19:17 PM
Search directly for inhibitor instead of searching in shops you already know.
I got mine from phd24.de.
There are too many good products out there to stick to a few shops.


I found some information online . . .
It looks like there are various types of inhibitors, some to address the gel time and others used to address shelf life.

Here is some data that I found on the Eastman website for their various inhibitor products.  It looks like standard poly resin ( labeled 'control' ) starts to gel in as little as 5 minutes. and reaches peak exo at about 20 minutes.  It looks like the 'HQ' or the 'THQ' types are preferable.  Some of the product information talks about a oxygen reaction with the HQ type.  I'm not sure if vacuum bagging would affect that in any way.  I'm thinking the 'THQ' type would be better (???) . . .  at 200-300 ppm it seems like it would extend gel time adequately for infusion fill and saturation.

Being a novice at the details of resin chemistry, I'm just wondering if I am on the right track here?  (I'm much more of a physics guy than chemistry Smile  )





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tpenfield

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