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Question about reducing resin fill times for a VARTM project

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By tpenfield - 2/14/2019 1:54:31 PM

I am currently doing a DIY project of making an extended swim platform for my boat.  The platform is fairly large measuring 8 feet x 4 feet (2.4 m x 1.2 m).  I am making a mold from a plug and then will make the actual 'part' from the mold.  The platform design is of moderate complexity, having a step-down section to it and 'pylons' on the sides. The total area of fiberglass is about 40 sq. ft. (3.8 sq m) due to the complexities of shape.  I plan on using VARTM in order to achieve good conformity of the fiberglass to the various shapes of the platform, and hopefully to apply the resin in one step vs. a more labor intensive process of hand layup.

I'll be using polyester resin to make the mold and vinyl ester to make the part.  One concern right now is finding ways to reduce the 'fill' time of the VARTM mold/bag considering that poly resin has a fairly short 'open' time as compared to VE or epoxy resin.  In order to get a reasonable thickness of laminate, I plan on using 3 layers of 1.5 oz chopped stand mat. Then I will add stiffeners and reinforcements as hand layup after the vacuum bagging is complete.   I figure that the faster I can get resin into the mold/bag and going through the flow media to all areas of the mold, then the more time the resin has to flow into and saturate the fiberglass.  My plan is to have lots of resin runners throughout the mold so that the resin does not have to travel very far.

One idea that I am considering is to pressurize the resin pot slightly, which is more typical of an RTM process, so that the resin is drawn through the tubing and into the runner system and flow media by both the vacuum from the bag and the pressure from the resin pot.  I have done some searching and have not found much in terms of trials and experimentation of actually putting pressure into the resin pot, rather than merely relying on vacuum.

My thinking is that with just vacuum to move the resin from the pot to the mold, you are limited to 1 atmosphere of pressure.  With both vacuum and pressure in the pot, you can go beyond 1 atmosphere of pressure.  (within reason of course).

I am wondering if anyone has thoughts, comments, or experience in using both vacuum and pressure to get the resin to move to where it needs to go faster than it normally would with just vacuum?  Thanks in advance for any comments/insight/adverse effects.
By tpenfield - 6/26/2019 4:45:50 PM

Quick Update . . .

I wanted to close things out on my extended swim platform project, which is now done.  Here are a couple of pictures of the final result mounted on the boat.





The TBC inhibitor worked well to allow a good 75 minutes of open time for the mold infusion.  I did use MCP catalyst on the actual part infusion rather than the TBC.  I ended up infusing the outer layers of the part, but then switched to hand layup for the core and inner layup lamination.

The resulting part (i.e. platform) was surprisingly light (100 lbs w/out hardware) and quite rigid and strong, which was a goal of mine so as not to add too much weight to the stern of the boat.  I'll be testing it out for real over the next few weeks Smile

It was certainly a learning process for me, but I am pleased with the results.  If I had to do it again, I could probably do it in half the time and half the cost.  So, there is the price of learning, I guess. Rolleyes