Combining Pre Preg CF with Infusing?


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Hi I’m the new guy here!  (See http://www.talkcomposites.com/21718/I%E2%80%99m-the-new-guy-from-Oregon-USA)


I want to produce a mold that will allow me to have finished molded surfaces both inside and out on the component I'm producing, which will have a high degree of structural definition both sides.


From some videos I’ve seen it appears I need to make a closed mold for vacuum infusion, which may require the mold to split lengthwise and again on both ends with this particular part.


The exposed outer surface of the finished part needs to be a cosmetically perfect twill weave pattern and the only way I can figure out how to orient the fiber do this is pre preg on the 1st layer.


The subsequent layers don’t need the cosmetics, so do they need to be pre preg, or can they be vacuum infused with wet resin in the same mold then baked in the autoclave?


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OK…so I think I’m going to approach my questions differently as I’m not sure I’m hearing what I was hoping for, so I’ll do this in a question format with pictures.


In the following picture I’ve shown arrows where there are exposed edges that are seen, so this top edge needs to be cosmetically perfect both visually and dimensionally on the lower hand guard.


In these next two pictures of the lower hand guard you can see where there are critical surfaces on the front that need to be formed dimensionally to within +/- .030”. There are similar critical surfaces on the back end, as well on the inside on both ends.


In the next three CAD renderings you can see arrows pointing to an upside down isometric view of the upper hand guard where there are also similar critical surfaces on the back and front end, as well as inside.


I’m about half way through making the plugs for these two parts and my next step is doing the split molds.  I will be using an autoclave that has heat, vacuum and pressure, which you can see pictures of at: http://www.talkcomposites.com/21718/I%E2%80%99m-the-new-guy-from-Oregon-USA


Question 1.  Are these molds needing to be two halves that split down the middle, with molds on both ends, and a male mandrel coming in from the top, where all 5 sections are bolted together to form a completely closed mold?


Question 2.  Knowing that I want the outer visible surfaces to be cosmetically perfect with the orientation of the twill weave pattern, is it safe to assume that this needs to be all pre preg, or are there other options that includes infusion.


Question 3.  If they are all pre preg; how do I insure that I get the correct number of layers in the areas where the inside is built up, or is that strictly trial and error?


I’m using rapid prototypes on the plugs, as I find they are dimensionally more stable in terms of twist, bow and warping than production injection molded parts.  And they are of a material that lends itself to making changes using body putty and accept gel coat nicely.  I’m also making these where the vents in the sides will be CNC machined in afterward and then be clear coated on the finished production parts.


I sincerely appreciate your input here, as I have no real clue what I’m doing, other than what I’ve seen watching videos!










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I make carbon fiber stocks which are more complex than your pics. I use compression molding for smaller details.

I would consider using carbon fiber sheet molding compound for the inside of the handguard. You'll get better dimensional stability for small details as well as better definition. 

You can cook the outer shell separately if it's easier (depending on how your mold is set up for the internal piece. 
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