CF air tank [10 bars]


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Good morning,

I have to build a +- 2.5 liter CF air tank that hold 10 bars continuously.
My plan is to shape a cylinder (7.5 cm diameter and 15cm long) in a block of foam that need to resist epoxy resin under vacuum, wrap it with 6 layers of CF, after cooking I will drill two holes where I will later install some plugs, filling through them acetone to dissolve the foam and get a final clean inside piece.

My questions are :

- is my plan the easiest or do you have a better idea ?
- which foam to use (I want to avoid glue in the process and 10cm height is your only option) ?
- how many layers of 400gr CF would you recommend (my intention is 6) ?

Thanks for your kind advice.

               
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You can think of it this way ..  Hand layup CF with vacuum has a slightly better strength than the same thickness in aluminium--

6 layers of standard 200gsm twill will give you roughly 1,5 mm thickness which will probably not be enough to have a safety margin ..

I would make such a "tank" by first laying up 2 layers of standard CF cloth, then ppel-ply, then vacuum ..

Once cured, I would wind on two layers of CF tow ... Hard .. while applying resin .. This will give the "tank" a very high "hoop-strength"  Start at one end, then go back over the first layer and keep the winding tight .. keep the tension on by clamping the "loose end" of the tow .. then let it cure to a tack, and apply an outer layer of Carbon/kevlar mix .. (to avoid sharp shards of CF IF the tank "breaks")

This way you will have a tank that has a good safety margin for the 10 Bar ...

You may want to think about making metal (stainless steel)  threaded adapters an integrated part of the layup.. it will be less prone to cracking along the strees points that wil always be present when drilling and gluing them in ..

Please post pics e.t.c.  here -- of your experiments. 

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Thanks Dravis. Original tank is made of 5mm alloy... Do you know where I can purchase a 20x20x20 block of foam please ?
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These types of thing are made as Dravis mentioned by winding tow onto a former, otherwise known as filament winding.

Ideally you would be wetting out the filament as it is wound onto the former, with the former on something like a lathe on a really slow speed (and I mean REALLY slow, 1rpm maybe 2 - but experiment) keeping a good tension on the filament so you get the consolidation directly onto the former.

I would be going one step further and putting +/-45 windings on too, this will stabilise the hoop winding, the ends are going to be the most interesting to wind, plus also as Dravis mentioned the fittings will be critical.

I thing there is a book by Swanson that has a design example for this exact use.

This is certainly not a 6k 200gsm woven application
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