thin double sandwich is as strong as a single thick sandwich ?


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Hello!

I have a question about  sandwich core technique.
That is...

For example,
If I use  two set of  5mm nomex honeycomb core(10mm thick in total) to  make a sandwich panel,
is it  as strong as  a single 10 mm nomex honecomb core panel?
the  double 5mm sandwich has reasonable strength?
or the double 5mm sandwich is easy to break?


actually,
I want to build a curved sandwich panel.
I tried a 10mm thick  nomex honeycomb core at first,
but the 10mm thick core was too strong to bend.

 I wonder that if I use  a 5mm core,then laminate,bend  and add one more 5mm honeycomb core.
I mean,,  the sandwich is   CFRP>honeycomb core(5mm)>CFRP>honeycomb core(5mm)>CFRP.
If this idea is O.K. I will be able to build thick and strong curved sandwich panels.


Any advice,
I would be happy.

Thanks,







 
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> O.K.    its a little shameful though...lol
> To be honest, I want to build some wheelchairs.I am a wheelchair user.


Absolutely no reason to feel ashamed, this is a very useful application of strong and lightweight composite parts. Compared to the all the mostly decorative car parts seen here all the time, whose main purpose in life is aesthetics, looking pretty.

As a way to reduce cost may I suggest building all the parts during the experimental/development stage with glass fabrics and foam cores. Once the design is finalized and the molds are done switch over to the expensive materials.

The front and rear arm, for the wheels... not sure if carbon/honeycomb is the best choice here, I let others, more experienced users decide this. These parts have to absorb considerable shock loads, e.g. when rolling over a curb, so they need to be overbuild which results in a rock hard ride. What do commercial wheelchair manufacturers use here? May I suggest UD glass with a few layers of +/-45° for the beginning, this will provide more flex and some dampening. You can switch to carbon at a later date.
All the places where bolts go through the laminate will require strenghtening so you won't crush the sandwich, either make them solid laminate, high density foam, filling the honeycomb with flox, carbon fiber tubes... keep asking as you go along with your built.
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No shame in requiring a wheelchair, one of best mates is a wheelchair user and he lives a fulfilling and active life, we even built him an adaptive waterski !

Following on from previous suggestions (and knowing exactly what these things are put through!) honeycomb of any material is NOT the right solution for a core. A dense, structural closed cell foam is perfect in this situation (it's what we are planning to use for a development chair for him!) as it is more durable and will not add much more weight. You can build it up in thin layers with only a resin layer between sheets rather than having to put a layer of fabric in between.

As mentioned, any mounting points will require hard points to prevent crushing and improve the durability of the connection, if you used say 2 layers of 5mm foam you could profile the edge of one of them to hide the bolts a bit then replace the core in that area with a solid section of material (say a pre made section of CF - 20 layers of 200 would be around 5mm thick) 

I would be looking to use UD anyway, whether its carbon or glass as this is a structural application, just make sure you know where the load is going! If you want it to look "pretty" as well as structural just make the top layer a very light woven fabric for pure aesthetic or a satin weave if you want it to be more structural as well as decorative. 
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