Cumbersome surface layer *product request*


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cpkielycua
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I have perfected my use of the surface and backing layers of your prepreg, but see room for improvement.  Even with the highest continuous run vacuum there are still some pinholes.  Also Id like to have a slight buffer to be able to wet sand and polish after molding.  Lastly the stray fiber from the surfacing layer can ruin the otherwise perfect surface.  

If you offered your standard prepreg backing layer with the 'surface layer film' on top it would be perfect.  A very resin rich (even if not the perfect ratio) would solve all my layup issues.  Essentially taking your backing layers and adding the film making it a double rich layer.  This would solve the pinhole problem, the stray fiber problem, and the wet sanding allowance problem.  

Please let me know if you are able to carry, order, or modify from a supplier, Im sure it will be hit with many orders!
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My results look just like the pictures posted......but they have pinholes.  In certain lights they look absolutely perfect, in others one can see the pinholes.  These are very very small pinholes, but there nonetheless.  My layup was sealed under the vac bladder, so all the epoxy stayed within the laminate, none was lost, but there were still pinholes.  I cant imagine how this happens if the layup retained all the epoxy.  In many cases the bag surface comes out perfectly and the tool surface suffers.  Confounding.  

I think the holes are so small such that the surface tension will not effect a clearcoat overspray, so this is my next technique.  

Id like to get a UV clearcoat spray in mold before layup so it pops out ready to polish.

At this point its half a question of a flawed part and half the ethereal lust for the perfect finish out of the mold.  Im sure many of you feel the same way.  
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What backing material are you using?

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I must confess, I know this might be taboo........ but I leave the textured carrier layer on the last ply.  It really is the perfect release layer.  It is already intimately bonded with the prepreg, it is textured so it acts like a breather, it is thermally stable past where I cure, it does not absorb/retain any epoxy, I have had no problems with it.  If I could design a non porous breather/breather it would be the carrier material.  
My vacuum bag is a brush on silicon bladder made from the mould.  It also works great, and is reusable.  Only takes a few minutes to set up and no bag/ gum tape frustration I would highly recommend)
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I mean backing carbon. What do you mean by "textured carrier layer"? Peel ply?                           

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cpkielycua
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I use the surfacing layer, then 2 layers of the 220g backing with a few strips of 220 reinforcment 
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Must be lack of full vacuum, or curing ramp.

http://www.talkcomposites.com/Uploads/Images/db628ad5-e0e7-47b9-873a-3d84.png
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I use the surfacing layer, then 2 layers of the 220g backing with a few strips of 220 reinforcment 
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             What backing material are you using?
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                             Must be lack of full vacuum, or curing ramp.
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