Carbon kevlar v pure carbon


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PAUL S
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Apart from the pleasing look of pure carbon twill in comparison to carbon kevlar twill of the same weight, why choose carbon instead over the stronger hybrid version? say in a car panel.

Price is comparable so in theory the hybrid offers the better performance? Ferrari used the hybrid extensively in the F40, why is it that supercar builders these days use pure carbon, even when the panel is to be painted?
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Having been in the armor business for a number of years starting right after 9/11, we found that carbon fiber was two brittle.  Armor consists of multiple layer constructions where each layer plays a specific role in defeating the threat.

The role composite armor plays in that sandwich could be likened to a catcher’s mitt.  Armor generally consist of a strike face, which is something like AR500 steel, then has a ceramic plate behind it, and the composite materials are the last layer.

Depending on the threat, the projectile passes through the steel, which deforms it giving it a larger footprint and slows it down, the ceramic breaks the projectile into smaller pieces called spall, and the composite referred to as a spall liner catches the spall.

I’ve attached an image showing a .30-06 caliber armor piercing incendiary round lodged in a consolidation of Spectra and Polystrand. Polystrand is S2-Glass that is laminated in 0° / 90° cross bands, with each corresponding layer being in that same orientation.

The composite portion of this armor consolidation was about a .250” thick. The other two layers were .125” thick each and consisted of AR500 and ceramic.  This armor layup weighed 7lbs per sqft, and stopped the round within 15’ of target, traveling at 2800 ft per sec.

This particular armor was for a riverine gunboat, which I've attached a picture of.

 

I’ve also attached a picture showing a consolidation of pure Polystrand used in the .500” thick AR500 floor of armored tactical vehicles.  This is the spall liner that is combined with the steel, which is used to defeat mines and IEDs.  You can see the thickness in relationship to the dime.

In all the testing we did, we never found carbon fiber to be a suitable material for armor, but Kevlar is used a lot as it has good flexural strength.


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It's all about selecting the right material for the job. Carbon fiber is used in cars because it's rigid, strong and light. Car's aren't made to be "impact resistant" in the same way as a bullet proof vest. They are designed to crumple up and take the force of the impact, leaving the driver intact, but not necessarily the car. 

Because cf is so strong, light and rigid, it's great for cars, planes and rifle stocks (what I use it for). Materials like Kevlar and fiberglass require far more layers to become rigid so parts end up heavier and heavier parts make baby Jesus cry... Because they aren't rigid, fiberglass and Kevlar will bend more before they break so, they are useful where those properties are desirable. 



Kevlar is incredibly annoying to work with. Cutting it hurts your hands and breaks your tools. It's impossible to sand. I avoid it wherever possible. 
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