Resin infusion of a double sided chair - issues with one side


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Hi guys, I'm a furniture designer and after doing a few infusions (and then doing a great 3 day course @ easy composites) I'm absolutely hooked on composites. The possibilities in my field are endless and are barely being touched upon.

I'm currently working on a chair design which is a continuous curve and is usable in two different seating positions (reclined and social). The pattern (plug?) is made and all polished up ready for an infusion and I have an exact 1:6 scale replica for which I've been using to create the test models. I'm having issues with achieving a decent surface quality on the outside face.

I should mention that the final finish I am after on the outside face is the textured matt surface that peel ply leaves. This means that sanding isn't an option. The inside face is glossy.

All layers are securely tacked into place with epoxy spray adhesive. 

The first test had the following layers (working from the inside out):

pattern surface > 3 layers of 200gsm 2/2 twill carbon > peel ply > easy flow mesh > vac bag 

This resulted in a thickness of 0.7mm. The inside face was perfect and the outside was a little bumpy.

The second test was closer to the final desired thickness of 5mm and had the following players (from inside out again)

pattern surface > 1 x 200gsm 2/2 carbon > 1 x 650 gsm 2/2 carbon > 1 x 2mm lantor soric > 2 x 200gsm 2/2 carbon > peel ply (for finish effect) > vac bag

This resulted in a thickness of 3.5mm. The inside face was again perfect but the outside had a very undulated finish with light bunching. The infusion spiral and connectors left deep marks but on the actual pattern this won't be a problem as I have included wide flanges and they will be placed to the sides. This finish isn't even good enough for sanding and then skinning over with a light weave...

I can replace the Lantor Soric with a few layers of 650gms carbon which should give me a slightly better finish I guess... But this would reintroduce infusion mesh and would leave different marks.

So my question is how can I get a nice level and flat peel ply finish on the outside face? I'm pretty much up for trying anything at this point! If this isn't at all possible, what other options do I have? (an outside gloss face wouldn't be durable enough for a chair).

Any help would be extremely appreciated as I'm tearing my hair out at the moment!

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Did quite a bit of head scratching over this last night so please excuse the long replySmile

I would be almost making this into two infusions, top and bottom if you like. As adding flanges in the normal manner will give you release issues the only thing I could come up with (not sure why it took me so long) was to just make the full size mould 100mm or so wider than the finished chair width. That way you can keep the spiral and hose connectors off the finished laminate.
As you have done I would run the spiral a full 360 degrees around one edge, but have two resin inlets one on the top side of the chair and one on the bottom side (hope that makes sense). Then place a vac outlet directly opposite each of these. By having the wider mould. you can now place these on the laminate rather than on the sides.
This will give you a direct air path for the vacuum preventing the lock off we talked about.
If one side for some reason infuses faster than the other you can clamp that resin feed off until the other catches up. The same goes for the vac outlets.

One thing I would be worried about on the full size version would be release, that's a lot of surface area gripping the mould The thicker you go on the laminate the less flex you will have helping the release. I know this suggestion would mean more work making the mould but if you built in a very slight taper
(across the width) I doubt this would even be noticeable to the naked eye on the finished chair but would greatly help the release.

As for surface finish, soda blasting gives a rather nice matt/frosted finish to carbon. I use it to make chess boards. Mask off the squares with gaffer tape, soda blast, remove the gaffer tape and you have a contrasting gloss/matt chequer board pattern.
A bit of artistic masking and you could end up with some interesting effects.Smile

Hope that makes sense and helps a little, Warren

Carbon Copies Ltd
Edited 12 Years Ago by wozza
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