Are prepregs from different suppliers cross-compatible?


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f1rob - 9/6/2018 12:00:27 PM
Steve Broad - 9/6/2018 10:49:44 AM
f1rob - 9/6/2018 9:21:42 AM
As others have said sucking and see
Most will work together no problem
At the moment am doing some f1 pod fronts
6 different materials (1 glass 5 carbon)
Woven an ud 
4 different weaves
3 different resin systems
Works fine

Very interesting. Why are you having to use different resin systems (apart from because of glass and carbon)?

Most teams can't get all their materials from one supplier

That an young composite designers like to appear really clever an inventive an make it as complicated as possible
Lot to be said for KISS
but no we have a part with flat tow,u/d,glass,satin weave an 2x2 twill all for a bit of bodywork !

Oh, yes, I live by KISS whenever possible.

Why the glass, as this has different characteristics to carbon which some say are incompatible when subjected to high stresses.

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Thanks for the replies, folks! It looks like the best course of action is to first make sure the cure profiles for the prepregs are as similar as possible. If they are, I'll give them a test and see how they work together. If they delaminate, the epoxies are clearly not compatible, but are there any other less obvious compatibility issues I need to be looking for?
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Steve Broad - 9/6/2018 8:20:15 AM
Hanaldo - 9/6/2018 3:43:27 AM
Not all epoxies are the same and they dont all play nicely together. Before the X-Preg system, I tested co-curing several brands of pre-preg together in an attempt to find a unidirectional material I could use with EasyPreg. Not one of them worked. They all cured fine, but they all delaminated from each other. You could peel the various brands apart like they had release film between them.

There's no hard and fast rule for this sort of thing, but it is always safer to assume that they will not be compatible and do some tests. I highly doubt the manufacturers will know what other systems theirs may be compatible with, theres just too many variables to know that - the reply will always be "we dont know, you'll need to test it yourself". You may get lucky and find a combination that works, but nobody is going to be able to tell you for sure - you need to test it all yourself and be comfortable with the results you get.

You learn something new every day :-) I can only base my comments on my own experiences and agree with you that testing is the only way to find out. We need to ask the OP why he needs to mix epoxies? Probably best not to as even testing, unless under long term laboratory conditions, will tell you the actual bond strength and longevity of the bond. My mix was on a non critical car interior panel.  

The reason I'm looking into mixing epoxies is just for the sake of buying the cheapest materials, which in my case means buying prepreg from multiple suppliers. I wasn't sure if it was generally understood that all (or most) prepreg epoxies were cross-compatible. However, since it seems like this is something that could work, but you have to be careful about, I will probably end up listening to the advice of the users on this thread and keep it as simple as possible.

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Where the pod goes there is a transponder
Carbon mucks up the signal so it has a little glass window thou you would never know once its painted
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f1rob - 9/6/2018 5:54:33 PM
Where the pod goes there is a transponderCarbon mucks up the signal so it has a little glass window thou you would never know once its painted

Glass as in glass or, as I thought, fibreglass?

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Pre preg glass
You haven't seen grp in f1 for about 30 yrs
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f1rob - 9/6/2018 7:37:12 PM
Pre preg glassYou haven't seen grp in f1 for about 30 yrs

So what is it actually made from?



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f1rob - 9/6/2018 12:00:27 PM
Steve Broad - 9/6/2018 10:49:44 AM
f1rob - 9/6/2018 9:21:42 AM
As others have said sucking and see
Most will work together no problem
At the moment am doing some f1 pod fronts
6 different materials (1 glass 5 carbon)
Woven an ud 
4 different weaves
3 different resin systems
Works fine

Very interesting. Why are you having to use different resin systems (apart from because of glass and carbon)?

Most teams can't get all their materials from one supplier

That an young composite designers like to appear really clever an inventive an make it as complicated as possible
Lot to be said for KISS
but no we have a part with flat tow,u/d,glass,satin weave an 2x2 twill all for a bit of bodywork !

Its all about making it as complicated and expensive in f1 lol.


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You know it mate 😊
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Where the "window" goes there is a 60mm circle of 200gm carbon that has a 30mm circle cut of its centre.
That hole is then covered with 2 plies 100g plain weave glass circles 50mm dia at 90+45
Part is a two stage cure so its then covered with pre preg peel ply
90psi cook
When you do the 2nd stage you put another carbon circle with the centre cut out in the same spot as the first
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