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Nerd Lab
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We are casting a complex part with a lot of sharp and opposing angles, which has proven to be extremely difficult to accomplish with a single sheet layup. While we did close in on the goal, the method proved to be unsound. Changing methods, the best results have come from approaching the layup with multiple carbon fiber pieces. This required a lot of precise cuts and matching of weave, as you might imagine. The problem now is that we get stray, quite noticeable, carbon fiber 'fragments' in our parts. My question is to know if there is a way to apply some type of temporary backing to a section of non-prepreg roll which would keep the weave intact to allow me to cut and lay out the shapes I need and reduce stray fragments, then being able to peel off the backing upon layup.
There is one YouTube video of an Aussie showing how to apply a mix of PVA/H2O and thin 'paper' which dried as a backing which you can then peel off in layup. That didn't work for us. Is prepreg the only answer? I would also think that since we're spraying clear gel coat in the mold before layup, any PVA would ruin the bond between the resin and gel coat. Is there a resin soluble product that we could bond the carbon fiber and paper with? We also use spray adhesive to keep a couple of key parts in place which claims to dissolve in resin but that seems to risky.
The templates in the picture attached are a few of the shapes that we need perfect.
Thanks for any help,
Sr. Nerd Lab
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Containing loose carbon fiber fragments - layup problem
Nerd Lab
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7 Years Ago
I have never used this product before but looks really interesting and seems to keep the carbon together not too bad. The link talks more about it....
drippy
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7 Years Ago
I'll look into this, thank you. Do you remember where you saw / what company had this product with scrim on the back?
Nerd Lab
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7 Years Ago
Thank you for this. Do you remember where you might have seen the carbon fiber with scrim backing?
Nerd Lab
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7 Years Ago
I'm trying to look online for the place that sells it. I have seen it used in videos of people making parts. Take a look at this post from another forum. This guy is explaining how he adds veneer to....
drippy
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7 Years Ago
Or you could use spray adhesive to bond the second layer on the backside of the first. This stops fraying and keeps the cloth more flexible compared to the fixed commercial cloths.
oekmont
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7 Years Ago
Definitely worth a shot. Do you have any recommendations for a flexible cloth that would be use in this application? Thank you for the suggestion.
Nerd Lab
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7 Years Ago
Exactly what oekmont said.
Hanaldo
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7 Years Ago
A stabilised fabric like the one above or our version ProFinish Carbon Fibre will do the job fine, or as okemont suggested. People have even used hairsprays and all sorts of things in the past but....
Warren (Staff)
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7 Years Ago
I agree. Let's not add more variables. Thank you for the response and for the link.
Nerd Lab
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7 Years Ago
Lay a sheet of plastic on the table ( I use vac bag) Wet out with resin (squeege is best) Place carbon on plastic THROUGHLY wet out carbon Placa 2nd sheet of plastic on top of carbon . You can now...
f1rob
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7 Years Ago
Another idea would be to use a clear sellotape type tape ( clear not standard) where you are going to cut so that you have only 1/3 to 1/4 of the width of the tape left on your component.
Furrari
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7 Years Ago
This will cause interlaminar bond issues ^ There are tapes made specifically for this like Airtech Airhold, but they are expensive and not really that useful. The 'web-lock' brand of set-weave...
Hanaldo
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7 Years Ago
That's good to know on the web-lock stuff cause they can do it to any fabric they sell and I was gonna make a run of hoods that the fins of the scoop were kevlar and the hood itself was carbon (just....
drippy
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7 Years Ago
Thank you for the ideas and feedback. I'm going to put in an order for a few test yards of the web lock and the ProFinish, assuming that they have that in 11X11 to match up with the weave used by...
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