Epoxy vs Polyester Resin


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How much stronger is epoxy to polyester resin when using with Carbon/Kevlar and Fibreglass? It appears to be around double the price, but is double the strength?

People always recommend epoxy over polyester, but I notice that Polyester Resin is used a lot in boat making and boat repairs so surely it can't be that weak?
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Hi Junior,

There is actually a much more fundamental reason as to why Polyester is commonly used in boat building than cost and that is that most Epoxies are not suitable for use in prolonged contact with water as they can be hygroscopic and draw in water, especially non-marine variants. For the extreme end of the marine market (Volvo Ocean Race yachts, America's Cup, F1 Powerboats, etc.) Epoxy is used extensively but the hull will be coated with an external protective layer such as Durepox to prevent water ingress. This is a costly solution and hence reserved for the top end boats where lightness/strength is the determining design criteria and cost is much lower on the list of priorities. For the vast majority of marine applications, this is the other way round and longevity and cost-saving are above any other criteria and thus Polyester answers the requirements. Those hulls tend to be thicker and heavier than an epoxy counterpart but it is slightly difficult to compare because generally, an epoxy built boat hull is aimed at a totally different use to a polyester built hull.
Edited 7 Years Ago by Rich (Staff)
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Thanks for the informative answer! 

My thought process was in relation to kayak use (so not left in water for prolonged amounts of time). I'm trying to figure out the benefit of using Epoxy for the construction when it's twice the price. 

Does this mean kayaks made with epoxy have a polyester gel coat to protect the resin on the inside, or do they not suffer from hygroscopic problems due to not being kept in water?
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yes, you could use a product such as our GC50 which is Polyester and thus acts to prevent the moisture absorption issue with Epoxy Resin but as you say, Kayaks are generally not kept in the water between uses and can dry out fully. Notwithstanding this, it would still be good practice to protect it with an exterior coating (either in-mould such as GC50 or post-mould such as Durepox) but most of the kayaks, especially competitive or adventure type will use epoxy for the enhanced strength characteristics.
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Rich, not to contradict you but I have literally been taught the exact opposite of what you are saying... Whilst all resins will suffer from water ingress with prolonged submersion, polyester is the worst for it due to the presence of hydrolysable ester groups. Vinyl ester is similar but somewhat better, whilst epoxy is substantially better. 

I mean if you compare the inter-laminar shear strength between an epoxy laminate and a polyester laminate that have been submersed in water for a period of a year; the epoxy laminate will retain 90% of its strength whilst the polyester will only retain 65%. 
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A lot of boats are made with Lloyds approved polyester resin?... this is what I'm struggling with, a lot of contradicting information from different sources proves very difficult to know who to listen to Ermm
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As I'm sure you know, broadly speaking polyesters fall into two categories Isophthalic and Orthophthalic; boat building leans heavily onto Isophthalics especially in the Gelcoat and outerlayers of the hull, deck and any other exterior laminated parts because of its extremely high resistance to Osmosis (water absorption) that blighted early GRP boat production. There is definitely a move in the marine industry to move away from Orthophthalic entirely.


You do get marine specific epoxies however with varying degrees of fillers and other materials or 'hybrid' resins such as Durepox which is an 'Epoxy Urethane' to take advantage of strength characteristics.


The other reason I failed to mention in my first response is that most hull construction still heavily relies on Chopped Strand Mat, normally emulsion bound and thus epoxy isn't suitable because it won;t break down the emulsion binder.


Edited 7 Years Ago by Rich (Staff)
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So if the exact same materials were layed up the same way, but one was laminated with general Epoxy resin and one with a similar Polyester Resin, how much mechanically stronger would the Epoxy lay up be?
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I've just found a paper written by SP Systems a few years ago and they suggest a 20-30% improvement in the mechanical properties of an Epoxy Resin over a Polyester Resin.
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Thank you Rich! Your help is much appreciated.
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