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Can anyone recommend a tack spray adhesive (preferably available in Australia) for use with Epoxy infusion. 3M Super 77 seems to get mentioned a lot but it sounds like it affectes the surface finish. Cytec Aerofix 3, from what I can determine, is intended for Polyester and Vinyl-ester resins, plus elite composites don't seem to be in business any more to supply it...

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You can get Aerofix 3 from Lavender Composites in Aus, but be aware that it will likely still affect surface finish with epoxy. I tried numerous epoxies with it and only had decent results with one. 

I have tried every spray tack under the sun, all of them affect surface finish of epoxy resins. The Aerofix 3 did give me some better results with Huntsman LY3600, but still not perfect. I stick to Super 77 these days and just use it extremely sparingly. Or use an IMC and this will hide the spray tack and give you a perfect surface finish. 
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Looks like I'm sticking with the super 77.

What's an IMC? Some sort of gel coat?
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IMC stands for in-mould coating. So it is any coating of any sort, could be a gelcoat, could be a polyurethane, could be a polyester, etc. The difference between an IMC and a regular coating is the fact that it is formulated to remain bondable after application, so you can apply it to your mould and then layup straight on it and achieve a very strong bond. A regular coating MAY not achieve a good bond with the laminate. 
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Hanaldo (18/02/2017)
I stick to Super 77 these days and just use it extremely sparingly.


I need to buy some more tack spray and am looking for possible alternatives to Cytec Aerofix 3, which I have been using.
You are correct that you can get
Cytec Aerofix 3 from Lavender, in fact, as far as I know, they are the sole distributor. Problem is that I am not in Qld, so this product attracts a hazardous good surcharge on the freight, which greatly increases the per can price.
As I understand it,
Cytec Aerofix 3 is specifically designed for composites work and the adhesive breaks down during an infusion (I am using vinylester).

3M Super 77 seems to be a general purpose spray adhesive, so I am concerned about how this would compare. It is cheaper than
Cytec Aerofix 3 and does not attract a hazardous goods surcharge for shipping, which are both good things.

Hanaldo, you said that you only use the 3M Super 77 now.
Can you please tell me why?

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You pretty much summed it up. 

Aerofix 3 is a great product, but it is only compatible with some epoxies (I don't use vinyl for production parts), and unfortunately the infusion epoxy I am using now isn't one of them. 

Also due to the fact that it is DG, and I don't buy any other DG products from Lavender, means that it's quite simply ridiculous to buy. Super 77 gives me the exact same results with epoxy, but I can get it locally for 20 bucks. 
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3M super 77 has been used as a spray tack for a long time before the dedicated composites spray tacks hit the market.  Generally used as sparingly as possible, you won't have any problems with impact on the finished laminate structurally.  If you use too much, you could potentially have issues with interlaminar strength, especially if you use it for each layer. 

Surface wise, cosmetically all spray tacks leave some surface marring - the level of which is generally down to how much it is used, so use sparingly for minimal cosmetic impact. 

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I have just bought some tins of the 3M Super 77 spray adhesive and will do some testing to see if it works for me. If not I will need to go back to the Cytec Aerofix 3, but that is more than double the price, so I hope the 3M stuff works out.
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