advice on what release to use on pattern berfore laying up mould.


advice on what release to use on pattern berfore laying up mould.
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Hi all

I am new to mould making at home and to this site

I have a Uni-Mould kit from Easy Composites and have made a pattern for a kit car scoop using my original scoop from the car see picture attached

I would really like any tips / advice you may have on how to prep / release the pattern before making the mould

I have read instructions sheets and watch videos BUT would welcome any contributions as you cannot beat the experience of other people that have started out the same way

For example I have a block of filleting wax to use where there might be some under cuts but do i put this on before or after releasing the pattern

Thanks in advance for any helping a newbie

Regards
Ian
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Hi ian
I would try and extend the bonnet scoop pattern edges. Its always better to make the pattern and mould slightly larger than your part edge so you can trim back to it.
Have a look at what davro done with his one, using some fillet wax and fluted board extend all around bybat least an inch. Once you have done that you can either release it with chemical release agent or a good few coats of wax Mirror glaze is good for this purpose.
 
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I usually release/wax a mould first and then add any yellow wax filling or fillets etc.

You can also wipe over the wax fillet material with your paste wax too but really carefully, even just wipe over the yellow wax with your paste wax finger and this will just clean up the surface a bit smoother. 

If this is your first mouldings you might even consider to spray PVA too for extra safety?




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Hi

Thanks Scottracing and Fasta for the advice.

I have created side flanges all around by mounting the scoop on a flat board and now applied fillet wax on edges/joints to stop undercuts.

I have easylease and Mequires no8 wax to use on pattern.

However I am now thinking should i raise the scoop 5 to 10mm off the board in height all round to give that extra to trim back
(Thats a good shout Scottracing)

I also have some PVA as well so i might add some of that Fasta as i don't want to ruin my existing scoop (incase i am no good at making a new one !!)

Once again thanks for the help, I am now off to the shed for rethink.

Regards
ian
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I always apply release agent before doing the wax to ensure complete coverage, then apply another couple of coats afterwards in case any was removed when I was applying the wax. 
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Looking good the flange on the back end of the scoop is looking a little small but that could be the picture.
I usually aim for about a 4/5 inch flange to give plenty of room for layup | peel ply | infusion mesh and the infusion lines.

In regard to the raising it to have something to cut off unless you need the extra height for a plenum or to stop the engine fouling the inside of the scoop, I would leave it.
I left a small amount of the flange 30mm to allow the bonding the scoop to the inside of the bonnet using the flange, it made for a really easy installation just add black polyurethane add some weights and let it dry Smile



BTW: If you need the scoop extended in height 30mm ish taller than the original (I needed it taller as the stacks and air filter on my hayabusa engine were squashed on the inside of the scoop)
You are welcome to borrow my mould it's a quite large mind. if you want to come and pick it up and drop it off when you're finished.



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HI Hanaldo and Davro

Thanks for the advice I will add an extra coat of release now I have done the wax.

Also Davro thank you very much for the Loan offer on your mould, that is really appreciated However I am really up for making a mould which I am going to do this weekend and hopefully it will be usable (fingers crossed) and doesn't right of my original scoop.

I am really looking forward to experimenting with carbon composite.

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ian
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Hi All

Just a quick update have just made and broken out my first mould and must say am very happy with the results see photos test 1 & 3.

I was worried that it would stick & never come apart again loosing my original scoop but followed instructions / advice given me on here and came apart so easy with an excellent finish and shine for main component area, apart from flanges .

Only one little bridge / loss of gelcoat say about 60 to 70mm long on a edge (might try and fill) as shown in photo test 2

Thanks again for help

Regards

Ian
                            
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Good job and excellent for the first effort.

Those damaged edges appear broken away from just getting caught when releasing. Just do a small gelcoat repair.

Dremmel/sand the broken area and just make a dam on one side with some masking tape, then fill/overfill with gelcoat. Make sure you put some styrene wax addative in the repair gelcoat and be careful not to use too much catalyst as this could make it porous. Also make sure you remove any air bubbles from the repair gel just by teasing the wet gel repair with a toothpick or similar. Sand and polish.




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