Pattern coat system on ABS plastic


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I am currently producing a plug to produce a fairly large multipiece mould for a model boat hull.The plug is an existing ABS plastic vac formed hull that has had alterations/additions in wood and bumper filler.The hull has been strengthened inside to increase rigidity to the necessary level.
My principle question is,can I safely use the pattern coat system over the top of this to get the desired finish?
I know I am safe with wood and the polyester based filler,but is the pattern coat system safe to use on Rigid ABS plastic?I do intend on using no finer than 120 grit prior to application in order to get a decent key.

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ABS and styrene generally don't play nicely together - you'll have a big mess on your hands. 

You will need to find a way to protect the ABS from the styrene. Epoxy coating resin is generally the easiest way of doing this. You can also get specialised coatings made for this purpose, like Duratec Styroshield. 
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Thank you Hanaldo

This does tie in with what I have read regarding polyester resins and ABS on model boat forums.I am now wondering if I can get away with making the Epoxy the final finish to the pattern to save on yet more sanding sessions?

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Sort of depends on the epoxy you can get. If you can get EC's XCR coating resin, then I would say yes. 

There's not a lot of epoxies that polish up too well after sanding, but the XCR resin seems to buff back to a gloss quite nicely from what I have seen. It will be tougher to sand than the pattern coat so it will take a bit of effort, but it looks like it has nice self-leveling properties so you may find it doesn't actually need a whole lot of sanding anyway. 

Other than that, there's no reason you couldn't pull your mould from an epoxy coated pattern, it will work very well. 
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Hi Nigel,

I would agree that you should well be able to skip a step by not using the pattern coat primer and instead flatting a good finish onto the XCR Epoxy Coating Resin. You'll find that because epoxy is so much harder than polyester that it will take longer to flat and polish compared with the Pattern Coat Primer however, unlike many other epoxies, the XCR resin will polish up to a high gloss, given time. The extra-time polishing the XCR will probably be compensated for by the time and money saved by not needing to use two resin systems to coat it, as you would if you wanted to use the Pattern Coat Primer.

Once you have your nice finish on the pattern, epoxy makes a good surface to release from (subject to appropriate release preparation, such as mould release wax or chemical release agent.

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Thank you very much Hanaldo and Matt

I have already been looking at the XCR resin,I also have a wooden tug hull that is going to need a couple of coats of resin and fine cloth before paint so this product would be useful for that.
Final question,is there any reason I cannot add a pigment to the XCR resin as this is clear and being coloured would enable me to see imperfections better and also indicate if I have sanded through to the ABS?

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Hi Nigel,

Yes, you can definitely add pigment to aid with sanding. All you need to do is ensure the pigment you use is an epoxy compatible pigment such as our West & Senior Epoxy Colour Pigment Dispersions.

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Thanks Warren

That's the route I will go downSmile

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Could this idea be used on a partly worn kayak hull to give a fresh smoother finish before making a mould?

My boat is made from Polyethylene.
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In terms of coating the surface with a fresh layer of resin?  Yes certainly.  It can be a good way of both restoring a damaged boat hull at the same time as making it tidy enough to take a mould from.

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