Thinning down epoxy resin for infusion


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rallyfly
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Hello guys and girls

Has anyone had any practical experience thinning epoxy resin for infusion ?

I have been advised that if I use MEK at no more than 2% in the part A  it will be ok.

I understand that there may be a reduction in strength which wont be an issue for the parts I make.



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never done that but heard about that as well...
Can I ask you why you just don't buy resin for infusion and save you all the trouble and stress of everything working out well? Smile

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A good way to improve viscosity of the resin during infusion is to apply some heat with a heat gun as it works its way through the part.

The thing to watch out for is that you don't apply too much heat (depending on what the temperature rating is for the vacuum bag and stack materials) and that you have enough pot life.

I know solvents are popular for thinning out mixtures, such as thick paints, but between coats you wait a few minutes to allow the solvents to evaporate.  The idea is to just thin out the resin/paint long enough for you to apply it where it needs to be (through a paint gun, or into a crevice) but that it is completely evaporated by the time the epoxy mix cures.  In the case of infusion, I don't think the solvent will be able to evaporate from the mix (most definitely not completely or properly at least).

I can't speak from experience in terms of adding MEK into epoxy for infusion, but just something to consider. 
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Thanks for the reply fellas.

Yer I,m looking at it as an option because for me it a $70 dollar difference in price for 5L for specific infusion resin. Nothing available

in my area so the cost to ship ( dangerous goods ) adds a fair bit to the cost.  A local fibreglass supplier here in Newcastle manufacture there own

epoxy , I talked with there chemist and it was his recommendation to do this as long as I use MEK and only 2%. I also have access to MEK being in the aircraft industry.




Yer I usually heat my epoxy and mould to at least 25 degrees before infusion.




My parts are not overly large so my concerned about flow might be unwarranted.






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What is the mixed viscosity of this resin? 
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They tell me its  600 mPas @25 C
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I think it would work as is, depending on  the size and layup of your part. I regularly infuse with Araldite LY3600, which is a hand layup spec resin with a viscosity of 550cps. This infuses really well, I actually hugely prefer it to the Kinetix R118 infusion spec resin that I have used as well. 

What is the size of your part? I've used the LY3600 on parts as big as 3.5 sqm. This is about as big as I would go, at least without multiple feeds. It doesn't flow as fast as an infusion spec resin, so you want to be careful infusing without a flow mesh (say when using Soric or 3D PET core, these flow slower). 
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Thankyou Hanaldo

My largest  mould is 1m x 1m max centre fed so you have given me confidence that I could use

this epoxy without thinning.

I appreciate your input.




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Give it a go, I'm confident it would work. Just be aware of the flow rate, that will be the biggest issue. You want to be sure that your pot life is long enough for the infusion. I would expect a 1sqm centre fed part to take about 25 minutes to half an hour to fully infuse (depending on layup schedule, more reinforcement will take longer), so just be sure that your pot life will handle that. If not, mix it in batches. 
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