LeeBrett
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Hi, I just started to practice resin infusion and I made my bag with pleats just like the video tutorials show, I then found a leak on one of the pleats when pulling a vac down and a simple squeeze of the bag tape cured the leak. After a few seconds the gauge went to full vac and the pump noise changed, I then clamped the vac line to do a drop test. returning 20 mins later I noticed that the catch pot lid had leaked and the gauge had dropped so I sealed the lid and then pulled vac on the catch pot up to the line clamp. Then I switched off the pump and opened the clamp to drop test the bag and the gauge stayed the same.
I did the infusion and took it slow and when the resin started going up the catch pot line I clamped off the line followed by the feed line. After returning an hour or so later the bag had lost its vacuum so am I missing something very simple or do I keep scratching my head.
I have no experience of fibreglass or carbon work so I am looking to make mistakes and learn from them before actually taking on the project that I set out to do.
Cheers Lee
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MarkMK
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Hi Lee Allow 30 mins or so for your drop test and this should identify any obvious vacuum drops. I have seen some very tiny leaks show themselves around the inlet/outlet areas, so be sure to install your pipes carefully and try not to cause excessive creases in the bag when pushing through your cut holes. Keep an eye on things following the infusion also as this might help identify where air is getting in if there has been a leak that wasn't apparent during the drop test. However, this should be rare.
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VVS
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Hi Lee, I'm the king of micro leaks so know your pain, the main place I've found is the vac pipe inlets at the bag so check them thoroughly with as little fiddling as possible. If making parts for a living you need to work quickly but if you are making stuff for yourself slow down and give it more time, I leave my drop test over night, you definitely get nicer parts of the vac is 100% good.
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LeeBrett
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Thanks for the reply's, I will try and get my second mould finished and will bag it and try leaving it longer, but how do you guys normally locate micro leaks, thought about getting a leak detector but will it detect leaks that are unable to be heard by the ear.
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It really is all about experience. You learn to spot a leak before you even pull the bag down. Quality materials help too, make sure you are using a nice soft and very tacky bagging tape. I used to use a General Sealants bagging tape that was so hard and non-tacky that you could remove it from the bag after use and roll it back up, freakin awful stuff. While using this, I thought a leak free bag was a myth, couldn't even get an envelope bag to seal! Changed over to the black Cytec stuff, and these days I very rarely have to do any checking for leaks, it all just seals so nicely. Leak detectors can help, but again it's more about experience. You sort of have to know where to point the thing, it's not quite as simple as point it at your bag and find the leak. Punctures in the bag are very easy to find with a leak detector, but they are also easily discovered by eye if you know what you're looking for. Leaks through the sealant tape are another matter, the leak detector generally won't pick these up unless it is massive. All in all, my advice would be to make sure you are using high quality materials that are within date (bagging tape gets less tacky as it gets older) and just keep practising, keep getting experience.
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LeeBrett
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Thanks for the reply, I am using EC bagging tape and the everything I have came from them. The tape seems fairly tacky but when inspecting the bag up close it did look like it had a tiny amount of damage. will be trying another one later today.
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LeeBrett
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Hi guys, I have just layed up a mould and bagged it, but this time being super careful about having creases in the bag where it meets the gum tape, I pulled a vac on it and with a few small leaks quickly solved by pressing on the gum tape it seems to be holding vacuum. woohoo.
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davro
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Envelope bags for the win if possible. Can save a whole lot of messing around, lay the bag on a flat surface lay down some gum tape on the edges seal one side of the bag then slip your mould into the bag with input/output silicone connectors in place with a bit of gum tape, then seal the second side. Install the input/output lines and job done, time for a drop test
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lucas
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what about using soapy water on the outside to look for leaks?
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VVS
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You don't want any water inside your bag, not your friend. Just have to stay with it as you get better with practice.
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