Anyone have experience with TenCate OOA's ?


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http://www.ambercomposites.com/prepreg/out-of-autoclave-prepreg/

anyone have any experience with this?

I live in Canada and I'm having a hard time tracking down any OOA materials. Anyone have suggestions for anything in Canada or the USA? Alternatively I might have to bit the bullet and buy from somewhere in Europe....

Any other sources would be appreciated. 

Until now I've been doing infusions but I'm really tired of the whole infusion process and need a change. Its a PITA with the whole layup and then the trimming afterward. Prepreg might just let me cut back on the amount of post production trimming....
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you can find some prepreg on www.easycomposites.co.uk 
Because I live in europe I order there, don't know about buying it in the US or canada, just do a quick search on google I guess?! Smile

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Ya google gets me nowhere with that. I have contacted tencate about their OOA prepreg

I would be open to use the easycomposites but being so far, shipping will likely be a pain and the time it takes to ship would be long too.... 
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Try Cytec. They should have VTF261 in stock... It may be made in the UK but I would bet they have stock in the USA as it is a US based company. 

https://www.cytec.com/
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Thanks morepower, I had resorted to spamming every prepreg company on this continent asking whether they have ooa suitable materials etc... 

Will look into cytec
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One more question since I have not worked with prepregs,

What level of "tack" is preferable? I'm would assume it is somewhat dependent of the intricacies of the tool but would you give some idea of a good handling level of tack? Is too much problematic is too little lead to distorition/movement of the stack?
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for me the ooa of easy composites is perfect, nice tack on the surface of the mould...by having it that way it wont lift when adding the layers on top of that...did some test with a prepreg with less tack and I got annoyed while working with it, each time I've added a layer and tried to press it down, it got away from the surface of the mould

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THanks, I would assume that too high of tack might reduce the drapability/adaptability into very tight areas if the rest of the reinforcement is already laid down into the mold....too little tack and you aren't sticking to the mold just like you mentioned. 
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List of some prepreg companies supplying USA
http://www.compositesworld.com/suppliers/product/294

Gurit USA may be of help, it depends how much you need as most prepreg suppliers have a MOQ of 10 or 20m/yrds but also the problem with sourcing from the UK if you go that way is the uncontrolled temperature during transport and duration, if you have a prepreg with an outlife of 7 days and it takes 5/6 days to get there then there is little usable life in it.

Amber composites are pretty good, played with a few but usually subject to minimum order quantities, sometimes you can get 2nds quality but "ya pays ya money and takes ya chance" sometimes its just a few inclusions or weave distorsion every so often but other times the whole thing is pretty much junk.

When you use prepreg then consolidation/debaulking can make the process more labourious than infusion.

You don't always have to use an OOA prepreg, a lot of the time the lower temperature ones such as ambers 8020 and E644/650 are very usable vacuum only.

You will also find voids and bridging more common especially on more complex moulds as there isn't the spare resin to fill them, if you don't force each layer into every nook and cranny then you will have more problems.
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Thanks Chris, appreciate the link and tips.

I need a change from infusion, the thought of it is daunting to me. And I dread the trimming of mass excess material (because laying fabric perfectly matched in size is just asking for trouble imo). I also get anxiety attacks  Blink about the reinforcement stack shifting during handling or loose fibers on the cosmetic side etc etc... I'm pretty obsessive about bridging, I wouldn't foresee that as a stumbling block for me. 

regarding the debulking, this is to reduce entrapped air (as much as can be before resin flow/viscosity reduction with heat anyways) and reinforcement consolidation right? How long typically for debulking? when do you know that it's "enough"/ what is the observed end goal?

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