Zero Leak Vacuum Infusion


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Hi All,

I've been infusing for a few years now and recently I've purchased a Greisinger GDH absolute gauge. My question is, when everyone says they get a perfect leak proof bag - is it really? Is there an acceptable tolerance for a leak to still be considered perfect?

Obviously the volume/size of the part being infused is relevant so after multiple tests envelope bagging a 1m2 glass mould with about 1mm thick laminate + flow media. I've had leaks ranging from 1mbar/hour to 10mbar/hour.

I've been under the impression that a perfect seal means it should keep the same vacuum for days on end. Is this asking too much?

The parts I'm infusing are cosmetic carbon so avoiding any pin holes or bubbles is the goal.

Thank you.

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Chris Rogers - 11/25/2019 7:25:37 PM
I totally agree that digital gauges are a huge help with infusion but an important thing to consider when pulling really high vacuum levels is that you get into the problem of volatile materials - mostly water - boiling off in your bag.  A lot of the problems you see on a drop test are moisture related once you have a really good bag.  If you drop test an almost perfect bag (sub 15-20 mbar) and then let it sit under high vacuum for a few hours you should notice that your drop test results look a lot better if you drop test again after time to evacuate the moisture.  In the sub 50 mbar range most high vacuum pumps can only move a very small volume compared to their rated free-flow capacity so it takes a long time for moisture (because when something becomes a gas it gets huge!) to get sucked out.  

Last week I wrote a post about troubleshooting infusion which goes all over this:

https://explorecomposites.com/2019/11/19/troubleshootin-vacuum-infusion/

and you should check out this info from Vacmobiles which explains moisture issues really well:

https://www.vacmobiles.com/vapour_pressure.html


Absolutely correct and the Vac Checker indicates when the moisture in the bagged system starts boiling and the volume to be evacuated is increased by the generated vapour. You come to a halt with the evacuation process when this happens, with room temperature at around 30mbar absolute pressure. Depending on the amount of moisture and the performance of the vacuum pump it can take a while until all vapour is drawn out of the the bagged system.

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