XT135 Pinholes


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Hey guys,

Is anyone else using XT135 yet? How have your results been and what materials are you using for your patterns? 

I have been trying to make some moulds recently, and have used a bit more than 1m of the surface and 2m of the backing ply just making relatively smallish moulds (8 different moulds in total), but I haven't managed a single decent result yet. Every one of them comes out with pinholes, not all over the mould but enough to render them unusable. 

I am sure of my seal and I am sure of my oven and temp stability, so the one thing that I am unsure about is that I'm not using the XT135 with epoxy tooling board as being in Australia I don't have access to the S120 board sealer. So I have been making my patterns longhand by creating an initial plug in the conventional method of PU foam etc, then making a vinyl ester splash mould, and finally using that mould to infuse a new epoxy pattern. The epoxy patterns are great surface wise and cured up to 90 degrees for 24 hours, so shouldnt be any concerns there. Any Easy Composites staff reading this, are you aware of anyone else using the XT135 in this fashion? Can you see any reason this would cause issues? 


Does anyone have a solution for repairing these moulds to salvage them? The user guide states that they can be filled with a high temp epoxy gelcoat and sanded flat, but then the surface can't be polished up again and the S120 is needed again to bring the gloss back - obviously not an option for me. Has anyone tried flatting and polishing the surface of XT135, is it worth an attempt or no? Anyone have any other viable ideas for smoothly filling these pinholes? 

Will post pictures when I get a chance.
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Hi all,

I've done my 50th XT135 mould this week. It feel like a new batch of surface and backing ply improved my results a little. I also made out a temperature sweetspot for the XT135 that is below room temperature, too warm and it can be such a pain to work with the surface ply. I feel like things might've also improved with Matt's recommendation to not use too much force on the surface ply. I'll do further testing this week to verify that on average (between batches) things indeed really have improved.

To solve my issues with XT135, I've bought an additional vacuum pump and a digital pressure gauge, new connections, hoses ... just for the sake of absolutely knowing 100% that there is nothing wrong on that side of things. I still have a loss of 1mbar per minute in my vacuum line, and I can't seem to find that mini leak; this should not be an issue though as I leave the pump running either way. That mini-leak though got me looking into high-end vacuum connections as it literally drives me crazy that I can't find that leak. I've watched the XT135 instruction video for a gazillionth time and I just cannot figure out what's being done differently. I know that I am still relatively new to the game, and it still might be silly mistakes I am doing. But by now, working with XT135 has even gotten me to question the way I brew my coffee in the morning. Wink In all seriousness though, by now I've thoroughly revisited and redone my entire chain of steps and I try to be as smart as possible about it, but for now it certainly remains a tough nut to crack.

If things don't improve this week, I will do tests similar to yours, Hanaldo. Could you elaborate on how you did your tests, e.g. force used on the ply, a single piece or multiple pieces, amount of layers, breather placement, ...


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Guys, admire your desire to resolve this.

Genuinely, if I thought it couldn't be resolved or knew in the back of my mind that the problems you were having were actually unavoidable or quite normal then I would come out and say it but the material can and should work. It is very sensitive, like just about any out-of-autoclave process, but under the right conditions it works great and is actually an extremely rare thing indeed (an out-of-autoclave tooling prepreg with a good surface finish).

Cumberdale, I would certainly recommend a 'debugging' process like I suggested to Martin; strip it right back, ruling out as much as possible so that you start from a position of success and then introduce elements one by one until something goes wrong and then you'll know what it is. If you can't make a small flat square then there's no point in wasting time and material on a large complex mould but if you can prove you can make a small simple square then you have something to build on.


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Edited 7 Years Ago by Matt (Staff)
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