XT135 Pinholes


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Hey guys,

Is anyone else using XT135 yet? How have your results been and what materials are you using for your patterns? 

I have been trying to make some moulds recently, and have used a bit more than 1m of the surface and 2m of the backing ply just making relatively smallish moulds (8 different moulds in total), but I haven't managed a single decent result yet. Every one of them comes out with pinholes, not all over the mould but enough to render them unusable. 

I am sure of my seal and I am sure of my oven and temp stability, so the one thing that I am unsure about is that I'm not using the XT135 with epoxy tooling board as being in Australia I don't have access to the S120 board sealer. So I have been making my patterns longhand by creating an initial plug in the conventional method of PU foam etc, then making a vinyl ester splash mould, and finally using that mould to infuse a new epoxy pattern. The epoxy patterns are great surface wise and cured up to 90 degrees for 24 hours, so shouldnt be any concerns there. Any Easy Composites staff reading this, are you aware of anyone else using the XT135 in this fashion? Can you see any reason this would cause issues? 


Does anyone have a solution for repairing these moulds to salvage them? The user guide states that they can be filled with a high temp epoxy gelcoat and sanded flat, but then the surface can't be polished up again and the S120 is needed again to bring the gloss back - obviously not an option for me. Has anyone tried flatting and polishing the surface of XT135, is it worth an attempt or no? Anyone have any other viable ideas for smoothly filling these pinholes? 

Will post pictures when I get a chance.
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Ok, well I got round to doing a little 150x150mm test on a piece of glass, and it came out flawlessly:






Not one pinhole or void. So I think it is quite safe to rule out the material as a cause here, though I'm not totally sure where that leaves me... I would love to get that sort of perfection off a regular pattern, but I can't work out why it isn't working for me. Every actual mould I try to make comes away needing repairs, I just can't get a good result.

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Hanaldo - 6/23/2018 11:55:48 AM
Ok, well I got round to doing a little 150x150mm test on a piece of glass, and it came out flawlessly:






Not one pinhole or void. So I think it is quite safe to rule out the material as a cause here, though I'm not totally sure where that leaves me... I would love to get that sort of perfection off a regular pattern, but I can't work out why it isn't working for me. Every actual mould I try to make comes away needing repairs, I just can't get a good result.

Hi Martin,

It sure looks sunny where you are!

Mmmmm, the photos of the flat sheet sample do look very good; a test like this is always helpful. I agree that this suggests there is no problem with the material. I wonder if there is an element of 'over-working' the prepreg in the more difficult areas. This is a phenomenon that can occur with the critical surface ply on a component layup too; if the surface is put-down, lifted, put-down, moved,.. etc.; it can cause minor problems along similar lines to what you're experiencing with the tooling system. This is difficult advice to give because we're trying to tread a line between making sure the material is well-and-truly down into all the details of the mould and yet at the same time not overworking it (which in the case of the XT135 surface ply can mechanically force the gel surface into and through the scrim. If this rings any bells though and you think to yourself "maybe I could be over-working it" then it might be worth a small test on a compound mould where you actually try to be a but less conscientious; of course you've still got to get the material into the corners but with an awareness to not overwork it. Generally speaking, we're still getting good feedback and seeing good finish on moulds produced by less experienced and less conscientious laminators than yourself which makes me wonder if you're actually trying too hard with it?
[EDIT] Just looking again at your very first post I can see that the problem areas are not in the difficult corners (where would all have expected them to be). Is there anything you're doing in the lamination on those flat areas that could be different? - You've now made flat sheets with the material and they were good and you've got most areas of your complex mould are good, but the flat areas (which we've proved can work) are showing the problem. 


Matt Statham
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