One for Warren - Front Clip on my Elan


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Steve Broad
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Making a prepreg carbon front clip for my Lotus Elan. So far so good.



Mould with the reinforcement that caused the problem. I bagged the whole thing. This resulted in a differential pressure between the inner surface and the outer skin under the reinforcement which resulted in the mould sinking under the pressure!




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As long as you didn't have bridging, it doesn't make a difference if you bagged the whole mould or just the inside. The air pushes against the outside mold with the mold with the same pressure, with or without the bag. As the pressure in your stringers should have been atmospheric pressure, I wonder why the bending didn't went outward, as the trapped air expanded with the temperature? The pressure inside the ribs should not be 0psi, but >atmospheric pressure?
Or did you drill venting holes from the outside? If so, the pressure inside the ribs would have been 0psi due to your bagging technique. The same would happen, if your upper two layers are not airtight.
The main mistake here was to use hollow profiles. You should always try to avoid air pockets in both moulds and parts, unless the air is securely trapped inside a foam or micro glass bubbles. Or at least honeycombs, but I saw heat problems with those, too.


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oekmont - 4/21/2018 5:43:23 AM
As long as you didn't have bridging, it doesn't make a difference if you bagged the whole mould or just the inside. The air pushes against the outside mold with the mold with the same pressure, with or without the bag. As the pressure in your stringers should have been atmospheric pressure, I wonder why the bending didn't went outward, as the trapped air expanded with the temperature? The pressure inside the ribs should not be 0psi, but >atmospheric pressure?
Or did you drill venting holes from the outside? If so, the pressure inside the ribs would have been 0psi due to your bagging technique. The same would happen, if your upper two layers are not airtight.
The main mistake here was to use hollow profiles. You should always try to avoid air pockets in both moulds and parts, unless the air is securely trapped inside a foam or micro glass bubbles. Or at least honeycombs, but I saw heat problems with those, too.


Yes, I know the air would be atmospheric, I was working on relative pressures. otherwise the 14 would be 0.
With a vacuum within the ribs (I would be surprised if they were airtight, the combination of vacuum and heat would find a weakness) there is nothing to resist the pressure from the other side, which is why the mould deformed along the rib lines. The two faces of the bag were trying to meet but the ribs prevented the outside moving in so the path of least resistance was the part of the mould under the ribs. Differential pressure deformed the ribs as far as I can make out. Anyway, I won't make that mistake again. Yes, solid ribs would probably work but might still show through, albeit only cosmetically, so smooth surfaces are best, I think.

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