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DONT cut the 1st ply into the corners ! Not if you want a mould to last.

If you don't 45 strip in the corners do what they do at Williams and take your 1st part of the ply into the corner and 5mm onto the other face.

then when you do the other face butt that into the corner.
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1-4-1 is very lightweight 1-8-1 is industry standard 20 plus years

only ever going up I.e 1-10 or 1-12

lot of places don't bother with the last 200g on a 1-8-1 the thinking being on a fairly complicated mould the variation in thickness/overlaps its going to have more Than a 200g differance so its not worth trying to balance it

that and the fact a single ply off 200 isn't going to affect multiple plies of 650

people who sell you a matched 1-8-1 system will never tell you that thou !
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f1rob (11/01/2016)
What layup you doing as it doesn't look like a 1-8-1 ?

what's the thinking behind the peel ply/glass cloth ?

Different places have their own ways but mostly everyone puts 20mm wide strip of 200g cut +-45 on all female corners

After debulk on 1st ply bootlace all female corners with 2/3 strands of 650 cloth

would also cut your first couple of 0-90 plies into the tight corners

Don't really need location features on the flanges as its a lot stiffer than Grp most people just use drill bushes from Talbot tools moulded in where you bolt the mould together


Just using a 1-4-1 lay up as recommended by SHD. If they recommended anything specific I would have done it.. I have cut the first ply tight into the corners though. worry about bridging and it not getting all the way down so I cut into the corner to be sure. 

The locations my not be needed for carbon but the mould I am remaking was glass so it is a case of make one section at a time and remove a section of the old mould as I work from section to section.. 
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What layup you doing as it doesn't look like a 1-8-1 ?

what's the thinking behind the peel ply/glass cloth ?

Different places have their own ways but mostly everyone puts 20mm wide strip of 200g cut +-45 on all female corners

After debulk on 1st ply bootlace all female corners with 2/3 strands of 650 cloth

would also cut your first couple of 0-90 plies into the tight corners

Don't really need location features on the flanges as its a lot stiffer than Grp most people just use drill bushes from Talbot tools moulded in where you bolt the mould together
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So I am doing my first real pre-preg tool.  The mould I had made for me has had issues........ loads of stress cracks appeared after only a couple of pulls.. Not looking for answers or reasons why that mould has had issues. I got so pissed off that I looked into a dozen different things and all I got was dizzy with each person giving me a different reason.  So I took one I had made and lacquered it to get a good finish and to remove some of the raised areas where the original stickers got left on the tank when it was moulded.  I put it back into the mould and have started to remake the mould using pre-preg carbon tooling. So far it seems to be working.. I have done the top section already and although I have not removed the section from the part the flange areas look perfect and if the rest of the mould comes out the same way I will be happy. Having had numerous quotes to remake the mould for me including a quote from the person who made it in the first place (he seems to feel it is other reasons and not his work that has caused the problem). I have bit the bullet with some Tooling from SHD. 

I will post updates as I go and hopefully in a few days will have a finished working full carbon pre-preg mould. 


This is all I can see of the top section at the moment but it has no issues on the edge and looks like the resin has flowed correctly. 

GO

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