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Gel coat and Epoxy if done correctly will it work?
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fastboats
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Looking to make a mold of a small performance boat hull.
I have read that in order to make a very good mold that will last a long time some use carbon fiber vs fiberglass mat in a unimold type setup.
Once the part is setup and flanges in place can I apply gel wait for that to tack and apply a layor of carbon down and expoy coat over that?
Or will the Gel delaminate from the mold?
Thanks for any help and please go easy I'm new and learning as much as I can.
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The uni mold like many others is a no shrink system. It should be good. (note I have not specifically used uni mold but I do use another similar system).
Basically these modern mould resins are filled with ?? and go a cream colour when the cure as well as getting reasonably hot 40-50 deg C but they are supposed to do this.
In the past moulds were made from lesser resins and moulds needed to made very slowly and built up with just a couple of layers at a time so that they did not shrink. Then left for weeks if possible before demolding. Well reinforced etc etc. Things are different now.
Epoxy will make great moulds too but they sure will cost more and take longer to make. Maybe not such a big deal for small moulds but very expensive for others even if it is just 3 or 4 square meters. If you really wanted to use epoxy then I would use a full epoxy system with epoxy gel coat too rather than make an experiment with vinyl ester gel coats.
As I said last, a long lasting mould will mostly be dependent on a good hard (well cured) non porous gel coat and your release system along with good process habits etc. Experience helps too.
Test things as you go with samples and prove your release to yourself before committing to bigger things.
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Gel coat and Epoxy if done correctly will it work?
fastboats
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11 Years Ago
you use carbon same as glass fibers. in poly resin watch for wax contamination on surface, it...
wojtepanik
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Are you talking about "mixing" Unimould Gel-coat with epoxy for backing?? That will probably not...
Dravis
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I'm not certain that it wouldn't work... I've used epoxy tooling gelcoat and backed it up with vinyl...
Hanaldo
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Yes, but I think that has to do with what will bond to what, and in which "state" Both Polyester...
Dravis
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Yeh that is my one doubt... But I'm not so sure that wax additive would be a bad solution. Once...
Hanaldo
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OK I found GC50 clear but I want black can I add color somehow? Add a pigment or spray clear and...
fastboats
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11 Years Ago
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fastboats
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11 Years Ago
sorry to thread jack, but if im reading this right. You can use epoxy gelcoat and follow up with VE...
kidpaint
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11 Years Ago
Correct. Just watch for styrene attack. If the epoxy isn't sufficiently cured, the styrene can...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
I am curious why the original poster want to use epoxy resins. I have not used the specific Uni...
Fasta
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11 Years Ago
So I could get some gc50 color it as I want then apply to a surface (mold release applied first)...
fastboats
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11 Years Ago
In my experience the first and main thing that makes or defines the mould is the surface quality...
Fasta
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OK I'm sorry I missed a post. I'm looking to make a long lasting mold. I was reading that the non...
fastboats
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11 Years Ago
The uni mold like many others is a no shrink system. It should be good. (note I have not...
Fasta
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11 Years Ago
I understand what your saying for the most part. And thanks for the information. One thing I don't...
fastboats
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11 Years Ago
Because it's not good practice to lay all your reinforcement in one hit, like you can do with rapid...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
OK so the heat generated would be the problem with more then a few layers of epoxy on a half layup...
fastboats
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11 Years Ago
OK I searched the csm and now understand it the binding agent that causes problems with epoxy.
fastboats
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11 Years Ago
Using epoxy wont create excessive heat with just 4-5mm thick. Using CSM builds thick laminates...
Fasta
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