Hazy GC50


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We don't have any other videos showing the cup gun in use and to be honest, I'm not sure what benefit you would be able to get from a further video.

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do you have any other video were it is beeing used and sprayed other than the bonnet series?
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The "flow control" knob literally controls the flow by adjusting the pressure so there is unfortunately no "rule of thumb" we can advise as it depends on input pressure, viscosity of material being sprayed etc to find the ideal pressure.

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so quantity is not the problem as i´m mixing 150gr for a 1/2 square meter mould...
my compressor goes from 5 to 8 bar. i need to add a pressure regulator. but how much do you open the knob in the gun? that will afect the pressure
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It depends on your compressor but you are wanting to be between 60-100PSI using the standard nozzle as supplied.

Hold the gun approximately 50cm from the surface and use a gentle sweeping action across the mould.

You will probably need to adjust the pressure to suit your compressor as they are all slightly different.  We would recommend a practice on a scrap panel of some kind to help you get the "feel" of the gun and get an even coverage.

In terms of usage you will use 3-400g per square meter for a typical coverage of 0.3-0.4mm, however you will need to mix approximately 500g for each square meter to cover wastage.

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Thanks Warren.

I´ve been using the wax since the first test and it does help. Regarding the tickness i did one test with much less gelcoat and the problem was still there. With the brush i had the problem of the distortion like you said, but still had the milky thing.
Can you give me some ideas on how to setup the gun for spraying? How much air pressure and how to adjust the knob in the gun? And also how to calculate the material usage? I did some calculations based on the chart that comes with the gun but that was a mess to convert milis, gallon and square feet to mm, liter/grams, m2
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It does sound like you are applying it too thick or there is something else going on you haven't discovered yet. 

We don't recommend brush application of GC50 for infusion as the force presses the carbon into the brush marks making a slight distortion on the weave. It's fine for wetlay as the fabric will float on top of the resin and remain undistorted.

A tip that works for some people to help fisheyeing is to apply a layer or two of Mould Release Wax on top of your chemical release agent. It helps reduce the slippyness of the surface slightly and often that is enough to get a nice application down.

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I appreciatte your help with the infusion but the point here is to try to understand what is wrong (or what i´m doing wrong) with the GC50 Gelcoat.

So, i did my last test using brush instead of spraying. Hazy again! You can clearly see the paths left by the brush on top of the part. You can also see in corners (where is difficult to correctly spread the gelcoat) severe milky aspect.
Conclusions:

- not a problem with moisture in the spray gun
- too thick gelcoat make milky/hazy results

My problem still persists because i have already tried to spray much less Gelcoat (so thin it didnt even cover the all surface) and still got haze! Less than when i sprayed more gel but still haze

I´m out of ideas...
How can i spray an even layer of gel and get a full mould coverage? And how can this be recommended for brush application if it´s almost impossible to apply a thin layer without opening fisheyes?
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To be perfectly honest, I think you have an issue with either your resin (too high viscosity) or starving your part of resin .. I've just infused a tank cover (around 0,7 sq mtr, since the mould used up a complete standard Unimould kit .. Cool) It does not have a single visible pinhole in the whole of the "usable" area... This was with a microscopic leak that I just could not find, dropped vacuum completely in 5 hours --- but I just kept the pump running  .. Yeah ... I know ... should have spent some more hours finding the leak ... or rebagged, but it was a first test of the mould and some new lay-up ideas (for me at least BigGrin) The part came out near perfect, apart from the pattern of the carbon having shifted slightly making my intended stripe of spread tow off center .. I need a better way of making it stay in place when fumbling around with the backing layers and bagging ...

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Could this be gas in the GC50?  Superfine bubbles might not be visible as bubbles but would make a coating cloudy.  Spraying doesn't aerate a coating sufficiently to cause this as it picks up large(ish) droplets.  You could try degassing the GC50.  (just an idea).
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