Carbon and resin not taken to gel coat


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Howie7
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Hi everyone, first post on here.

I have a small background doing some fibreglass repairs and mould making so have a slight clue about what I'm doing. But obviously not too good as I'm having a nightmare here. 

Recently got myself some carbon and making some small stuff and decided to take on the rather ambitious task of taking a mold of the splitter from my car (Honda civic type r ep3) and making a cf replacement. 

First time round making the mould I used easy composites tooling gel coat followed by resin and a fair few layers of csm. When I tried to release it the gel coat had taken to the bumper and the csm and resin was separate from it.

Absolute nightmare so stripped it all off and started from scratch and my mould was complete without a hitch.

After that I gave the bumper 2 coats of wax and 2 coats of clear gel coat. I ran out of time and had to leave it 4 days because of work. Then I gave it a coat of resin followed by 2 full layers of cf mat and some reinforcement cf around the edges with finally some honeycomb core material in the centre for extra strength.

I gave it 24 hours to cure and when I tried to release it the same thing has happened as what happened with the first mould and the gel has taken to the mould leaving it basically stuck in the mould. I have tried to get it released but it's just releasing between the gel and the cf/resin.

I'm aware albeit slightly disheartened that I have made a booboo and wasted a fair amount of material. But I am more so concerned about where I went wrong and how to ensure this doesn't happen again. 

Thanks in advance for any advice or help, thoroughly appreciated

Howie.
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Totally agree with Fasta. 2 coats of release wax is never enough, if you're using wax alone then I would be doing 10 coats minimum. 

That said, I never use wax alone. Far too risky, as you have discovered. Like Fasta, I use Frekote semi-permanent release agent. If I'm doing anything that needs a gelcoat (like making a mould) then I apply 2 coats of wax over the top of the Frekote, though if I don't need a gelcoat then the Frekote itself is enough. 

To be honest though, I think for people without a lot of experience, semi-permanent release agents can be a bit tricky for making moulds. They are excellent and give the best results, but they can be risky in themselves because you need to be meticulous with your application and then they do make it more likely for problems like gelcoat separation and pre-release. Not to mention you need to be 100% sure that the surface of the substrate you are moulding is compatible with both the release agent and the tooling gelcoat. The most reliable release system in my opinion is PVA. It will never give you a perfect surface so you will always need to do some refinishing work, but if you spray it on then you will be close and you can be absolutely sure of a release. 
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