dbcrx
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just recieved our rather huge order for some repairs we need to do. initially we were going to try infusion so we didnt order any release film, but now feel we're better off sticking to wet lay and vac bag. if i put breather straight onto peel ply am i going to have a nightmare removing it? the areas are mostly flat and im pretty good with wetting out with minimal resin. would a second layer of peel ply be any use? i really need to get on with the job tomorrow as we're already getting behind schedule so dont have time to try and find any release film.
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Hanaldo
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It depends a bit on the shape of what you are repairing, as the difficulty in removing peel ply comes from the fact that it goes very stiff once the resin has cured (so no, I don't believe a second layer of ply would do anything but use more resin). If you've got quite complex shapes, then it can become very difficult to remove the peel ply. If your area is relatively flat, then it is generally quite easy to remove. If you don't have time to find release film, then your hands are a little bit tired and you'll have to try it, but I think you'll be ok. I've found peel ply is difficult to remove, but not impossible unless you get creases that mechanically lock it in place.
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carbonfibreworks
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The release film is perforated to control the amount of resin drawn out when under vacuum so you risk pulling out too much resin if you do not use the film, try a small practice piece first. Chris www.carbonfibreworks.co.uk
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ajb100
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As Chris says, without the release film, the peel ply and breather will soak up the resin trying to become part of the laminate. The release film will prevent this
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dbcrx
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thanks for the quick replies. the repairs are mostly flat - its repairs to the core and outer skin on a boat, so peel ply alone would be easy to remove. its just my first time with a vacuum so not sure about the breather. would i still be able to vacuum it if i left the breather out and just had peel ply, or is it really needed for the air flow? what about using infusion mesh instead of breather to allow air flow? would that work and be any easier? unfortunately my test patch has to be my first repair. not blaming ec, but weve been waiting for this delivery for about a week and we only have about 10 days left yo repair and paint the entire boat (all 24m of it, top to bottom!)
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brainfart
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There are many videos on youtube etc. where people do vac bagging without release film. If you think you really need it and can't wait for the release film make your own. Take a trash bag and put a bunch of holes in it with a nail or wire. If you need larger amounts of release film, put a bunch of thin nails through a thin wooden board in the desired pattern and push it onto the trash bag to perforate it. Simple, cheap and fast. The resin will not adhere to PE or PP or whatever material trashbags are made of.
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dbcrx
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that sounds like a plan. we just happen to have a roll of bin bags on the boat.
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Matthieu Libeert
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brainfart
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Trashbags and similar cheap plastic films work fine for many purposes. I have seen aircraft and sailplane manufacturers use them in production (vacuum bagging, sealed with acrylic bathroom caulk), and the first time I saw the nailboard idea was a composite aircraft repair shop.
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dbcrx
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well, the first two patches are done with some bin bag. i started with the smaller bits just in case anything horrible happens.
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