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BlackNDecker
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In an attempt to refine my technique, I am going to scale back and try a smaller project. This is a solid plug that will eventually become the lower plenum of my intake manifold. I made it by making a mold of the aluminum flange and building a foam core. I added tubular elbow and a throttle body mounting plate. The whole thing has been sprayed with primer and sanded smooth. It's not glass smooth but pretty smooth nonetheless.
Here are some pics. This intake manifold is a multipiece design...the lower section I've made will replace this section:
Not perfect...but I can't tell you how elated I was to actually make a successful mold!!!
Fast forward...this is what it looks like and how it will mount to my intake manifold:
Is it even possible to mold this? There are some really tight crevices that worry me. I am also unsure about molding the cylindrical tube.
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I won't be able to mold this as a one piece unit. The shape is too complex.
It will have to be two separate pieces that are then bonded together. <-- This is what I am most nervous about. I don't know how to prepare the bonding seams on the two halves of the final part....and, Easycomposites won't post the 3rd and final video in their series on complex multi-part molds which shows how to do it
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BlackNDecker (19/06/2014)
I won't be able to mold this as a one piece unit. The shape is too complex.
It will have to be two separate pieces that are then bonded together. <-- This is what I am most nervous about. I don't know how to prepare the bonding seams on the two halves of the final part....and, Easycomposites won't post the 3rd and final video in their series on complex multi-part molds which shows how to do it
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I don't believe that video would answer your question anyway, as EC have built that mould to use pre-preg and build the part in one piece then disassemble the mould after it is cured. No bonding together in that one. With the shape of your part I believe you could do the same, but the techniques for doing it with infusion are slightly tricky and will take some practice. Definitely a good idea though, as doing it in one piece will always be be stronger.
For bonding together the two halves, the way I do it is to place some individually cut out cells of soric along the bond line in the layout, which increases the bonding area. But given your part deals with air flow, I suggest doing it a different way.
See my thread about trimming the parts down. Using a cutter and blocking it down will be difficult to get a nice bond line, believe me I've tried. Make the excess flange material your friend and use it as a guide.
Then for bonding, give each edge a quick rub up with 60 grit and wipe them with acetone. Then what I do is place polyethylene packaging tape on the outside surface of the part approx 1mm below the edge. Do this for each edge to be bonded, and go slowly to line it up nicely. Then use a thixotropic structural adhesive and apply it to each edge. Then for parts that are a bit difficult to hold, place one half loosely back in its mould to hold it, and then join the two pieces. Take your time to make sure everything is lined up nicely, if you use a good adhesive with a high tack then this shouldn't be too difficult. Use a popstick to smooth out the adhesive that squeezes out the sides, this is why you have the packaging tape. Once you have it lined up the way you you want it, leave it for a bit to cure. Don't let it cure fully though, you are looking for the stage where the adhesive is still soft but is tacky enough that the pieces will be held pretty firmly (for me it's about an hour). Then gently pull off the packaging tape, leaving you with a nice sharp bond line. Once it has cured fully, place some 2" wide strips of carbon fibre or fibreglass along the bond line on the inside and wet them out with a paint brush.
I then use an orbital sander to smooth out the bond line on the outside, but this is optional as the tape will give you a pretty neat line.
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BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
I would do it as a 2 piece mould, straight down the middle. The tube looks like it is offset a...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
Made some slow progress...flanged up with fillet wax:...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
Backed it with 2 layers of 3/4 oz and 2 layers of 1.5 oz....
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
Progress! [IMG]http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx10/swolehead/null_zps21a5fa4a.jpg[/IMG]
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
How do you effectively seal the joins in your molds for vacuum infusion?
TargaMustang
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11 Years Ago
Envelope bag. Can also just run some mastic tape along outside of the flanges where they join...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
I won't be able to mold this as a one piece unit. The shape is too complex. It will have to be two...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
[quote][b]BlackNDecker (19/06/2014)[/b][hr]I won't be able to mold this as a one piece unit. The...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
Will the two halves be glued edge to edge, or is there a flat mating surface? In the former case,...
brainfart
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11 Years Ago
[quote][b]brainfart (19/06/2014)[/b][hr]Will the two halves be glued edge to edge, or is there a...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
http://www.rc-network.de/magazin/artikel_06/art_06-020/art_020-01.html Unfortunately this is in...
brainfart
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11 Years Ago
[img]http://www.rc-network.de/magazin/artikel_06/art_06-020/bilder/k_leiste6.jpg[/img] You could...
brainfart
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11 Years Ago
I don't have the proper vocabulary to describe all this since obviously English is not my native...
brainfart
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11 Years Ago
Thanks guys...I really appreciate the advice! Hanaldo, would you happen to have a link to your...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
Sorry mate, I meant my thread about my OEM replica wing. You posted in it asking how I joined the...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
Indeed...the alligator skinning is only on the flange. Finished the mold this afternoon. How long...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
I knocked out the mold of the lower plenum this weekend...it is now ready for business:)...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
Looks good mate, came out well :)
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
Very nice and very interested in how this is progressing.
BoostSamurai
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11 Years Ago
Things are progressing right along. I spent the last week sanding and waxing the mold. On a whim, I...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
That's an expensive through-bag connector to destroy with infusion... Get yourself some silicone or...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
Yeah, I will get some silicone connectors...I just had some of these lying around. I'm using flow...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
looks good so far cant wait to see it pulled
kidpaint
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11 Years Ago
Sorry...forgot to update this thread. The first part had some bridging but it was just a test run so...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
Finished up the other half of the plenum. Very happy with how it turned out...I'm refining the...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
Looks good. cant wait to see it finished!
kidpaint
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11 Years Ago
So I changed up the technique to try and eliminate the labor intensive process of vacuum infusing...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
So the pre-preg was a semi-success. I was able to mold the manifold 1-piece with minimal trimming...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
Did you run the vac bag through the middle of the mould so the bag was pushing against the carbon?...
ajb100
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11 Years Ago
[quote][b]ajb100 (11/08/2014)[/b][hr]Did you run the vac bag through the middle of the mould so the...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
I have read your post and looked at the pictures. It does not say or show if you bagged through the...
Brian_s
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11 Years Ago
I did bag it and pulled the bag through the cavity. It's irrelevant though because the bag burned...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
It's not surprising the bag burned through, your oven isn't really big enough for that size part and...
ChrisR
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11 Years Ago
I read that it had burned through. But you had not mentioned that the bag went through the inside as...
Brian_s
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11 Years Ago
Did you post cure your mould before you put the release on for the pre preg ? You need to burn the...
f1rob
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11 Years Ago
Shouldn't you be copying the internal surface of the original manifold and not the external surface?...
asmasm
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11 Years Ago
[quote][b]asmasm (13/08/2014)[/b][hr]Shouldn't you be copying the internal surface of the original...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
Edit: Never mind, I see you are only doing half the intake in carbon and leaving the OEM runner...
asmasm
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11 Years Ago
[IMG]http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx10/swolehead/null_zps7a93a000.jpg[/IMG]...
BlackNDecker
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11 Years Ago
Is that the infusion item or the pre-preg? Looks like you've put a layer of resin over the top?
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
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