Imperfect surface finish on resin infused part


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Guys,

I have just de moulded my 2nd resin infusion from the mould. The results are good, but not great.

My laminate consisted of three layers of carbon using the easycomposites infusion resin, peel ply and infusion mesh. The mould was treated with easylease and the part demoulded quite easily. The surface finish of the part appeared a little resin starved with consistent but very slight surface voids throughout the part surface.

I have actually achieved better results from vac bagging. Any suggestions why I'm not getting the perfect finish I was expecting? I had a full vacuum on the part throughout the infusion. 

Advice would be appreciated.
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Some pictures of the problem areas would help. When you say you had full vac do you mean that the pump was left running during curing or that the vac line was clamped off after infusion but vac was maintained ie no leaks?

Warren

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Hi Warren,

Thanks for the reply. Having scoured the forum, I think I have determined the cause of my problem.

When the infusion was complete, I clamped off the resin feed tube and left the vacuum hose unclamped ( pump running) for several minutes as I was concerned that the part was resin rich and that some air bubbles were still entrained towards the vacuum end of the infusion. I think this may have removed too much resin from the laminate causing vacuum voids in the weave of the carbon next to the surface. I'm pretty confident that the bag was leak free as I had no issue during the vac drop test.

I read a couple of threads that said once the infusion is complete, that you should clamp the vacuum tube and wait around 15 seconds before clamping the resin feed. 

Pics aren't great but I hope you can see the imperfections. Advice would be appreciated.

Thanks, 

Wesley
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wpackham (10/03/2014)
Hi Warren,

Thanks for the reply. Having scoured the forum, I think I have determined the cause of my problem.

When the infusion was complete, I clamped off the resin feed tube and left the vacuum hose unclamped ( pump running) for several minutes as I was concerned that the part was resin rich and that some air bubbles were still entrained towards the vacuum end of the infusion. I think this may have removed too much resin from the laminate causing vacuum voids in the weave of the carbon next to the surface. I'm pretty confident that the bag was leak free as I had no issue during the vac drop test.

I read a couple of threads that said once the infusion is complete, that you should clamp the vacuum tube and wait around 15 seconds before clamping the resin feed. 

Pics aren't great but I hope you can see the imperfections. Advice would be appreciated.

Thanks, 

Wesley


Hi Wesley, sounds like you have worked out the problem.Smile
If cosmetics are the priority once the resin reaches the vac outlet and all the cloth is wetted out I clamp off the vac line. On a sheet that size I would leave the feed line open for another 30-40 seconds to ensure the part is resin rich before clamping off. A good guide is the resin feed connector, leave the feed line open until the connector just starts to feel loose under the bag. One slight downside to this is that your silicone connectors wont last as long (5 or 6 parts), you will have to dig them out of the resin. Not expensive and certainly cheaper than a scrap cf part.Wink
 
If strength/weight are the main factors then as soon as the resin reaches the vac outlet clamp off the feed line followed almost immediately by the vac line.
If the bag has a perfect seal and the resin has traveled through the part at an even rate then resin shouldn't even reach the catch pot. Just a few inches up the hose. People tend to see the bubbles in the hose and think that there is still lots of air in there and leave the vac line open. The bubbles are actually tiny amounts of air expanding under vacuum making them appear much bigger than they are. I have seen people fill the catch pot with resin waiting for those bubbles to disappear, they wont.
Hope that makes sense and helps a little.

Warren

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Thanks Warren,

I'll try that tip on the next infusion. It's a steep and expensive learning curve!

Regards,

Wesley
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wpackham (11/03/2014)
Thanks Warren,

I'll try that tip on the next infusion. It's a steep and expensive learning curve!

Regards,

Wesley


It certainly can beCrying I do infusions on almost a daily basis so I don't think there aren't many mistakes I haven't made over the years.Smile

Another little tip is to place a circle of breather cloth and peel ply directly underneath the vac outlet connector. This will act as a choke slowing down the resin when it reaches it. This will give any areas that are lagging behind the chance to catch up without wasting resin into the catch pot.

Warren

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