Newbie mistake - hardener mixer ratios


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Philimon
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Hi Folks

Just thought I'd pass on a lesson I learnt last night. I'm very much a hobbiest and new to proper fiberglass. I'm no stranger to resin, though. The mixing ratio on the hardener bottle was a little ambiguous to me last night and I have some unset resin this morning. Instead of mixing 100 parts resin to 30 parts hardener  I thought the label indicated a range of 1:100 to 1:30 mixing ratio....

http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/Images/products/medium/AT30-Epoxy-Hardener-FAST-115g.jpg


Funny that, because I got the mixing ratio on the Gel Coat just right.

EasyComposites, if you're reading this, may I appeal to you to make your labels a little more unambiguous for "Idiots Like Me(tm)"? Its really my fault, but maybe we can save someone else having to re-do about 10 hours worth of work.

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Doesn't get much more unambiguous than that. 100 % Resin 30% Hardener
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baja_patient (17/01/2013)
Doesn't get much more unambiguous than that. 100 % Resin 30% Hardener
Ah, but that's because you're clearly not an "Idiot Like Me(tm)" BigGrin

Ironically, the gel coat hardener does put it in plain English: it literally says "Mix 5 parts epoxy gel coat to 1 part epoxy gel coat hardener". Even I can figure that one out.

Anyway, I've just laid up again, with 50g resin mixed with a further 15g hardener. Lets hope it sets now.
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Haha... na man no worries, I always think about it twice as well... but yeah you're correct with 50g - 15g!

good luck.
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If the EC-guys read this, 

could it be possible to have a system like "west system epoxy" where you measure out by "1 pump of A + 1pump of B"
Seen it a lot on the internet and looks so easy to work with! Can't find a system like that in Belgium...
I hate using a scale and always have a lot of waste of epoxy due to the fact it is nearly impossible to mix a batch of 20g A+B correctly 
so I mostly have to make 40g with half of it as waste

Matthieu Libeert
Founder MAT2 Composites X Sports
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www.mat2composites.com




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The only problem with dispensing pumps they can some times give the wrong amount,they can be a pain if not using regular you have to prime them,using scales is much more precise.But I do understand the convenience of pumps.  
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@Matthieu you can easily find cheap scales that are very precise (talking about 1/10th gr precision, sometimes even more), the thing is they can't weight more than 500gr. So perhaps using the scale you have now for larger quantities, and using the small scale for small quantities.
I used to do that. In any case the day I've been able to afford a pro scale things got so much easier.

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Hi Philimon,

I'll take a look into whether we can make the labeling any more clear. I'm not aware of anyone else misinterpreting the labeling but I guess that doesn't mean it's never happened. I think we do also show some example mix ratios on that same bottle which I would have thought would confirm the mix ratio on the front?

Matthieu,

We have considered this, the primary reason against is accuracy but there are in fact several other reasons why these pump/volume based systems are not favoured. On the accuracy front it's impossible to properly have 'half' a pump or a 'quarter' of a pump so you end up rounding everything up, you do also need to prime the pumps which means wasting some usually and the pumps themselves leave the epoxy and hardener exposed to air (so they deteriorate faster and absorb moisture). Also, because you can't get exactly the right ratios needed in the pumps themselves (unless they're made specifically which is thousands in tooling costs) the resins need to be modified to be at the correct ratio for the pumps which might mean some compromise on the performance or behavior of the resin.

To get the accuracy you need on the scales it's worth having a couple of sets. The very accurate 'gram scales' which measure to 1/10th of a gram (0.1g) are great for tiny quantities and then for larger quantities a second set which measures to a 1g accuracy is fine.

All the best, Matt


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thanks for your time and good information Matt, I didn't know there were so many "problems" with them!
I'll stick to my scale BigGrin

Giving some standard mixratio's (A+B=C) on the bottle would be great!
Always hate the fact that just when I want to start and have my mask and gloves on I have to calculate how much A+B I need to get C!

Matthieu Libeert
Founder MAT2 Composites X Sports
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www.mat2composites.com




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Good news, my first mould is done and dusted! Many lessons learnt and i had a blast. 

I did have some issues with the gel coat thinning around the sharp corners of the plug. I suspect that is because I'm being a cheapskate and using just the plain gel coat for both the mould and the finished piece.



EC guys, does the tooling gel coat work better around sharp, 90 degree edges of a plug?  
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