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Hello and thanks for letting me join.

I recently built a mold for making an RC body out of carbon fiber.  The mold turned out good but the final product that came out of the mold didn't look so good.  I am doing a hand layup method and used part all #10 PVA over some wax to help the release.

I am wondering if the PVA played any part in my air bubble issues?  I clearly need a vacuum bag setup but just looking to understand the issue.
My prior attempt without PVA (only using wax) didn't have this much issues with air pockets.  I was not able to apply the PVA wet. It had to be applied in light dusting coats or it would run.  Maybe that was related?


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The above picture was after clear coat.  This one was before showing some of the spots.

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That is unfortunately just the nature of wet laid composites, they are generally full of voids like that and getting consistently good results is very difficult. Won't have anything to do with the release agents used. 

This is why resin infusion and pre-preg are so highly rated, because it is so much easier to get a consistently void free surface.
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Hanaldo - 7/18/2020 4:45:34 AM
That is unfortunately just the nature of wet laid composites, they are generally full of voids like that and getting consistently good results is very difficult. Won't have anything to do with the release agents used. 

This is why resin infusion and pre-preg are so highly rated, because it is so much easier to get a consistently void free surface.


So with this said I am jumping to conclusions that vacuum bagging wouldn't improve things much?  Is that true?
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LibertyMKiii - 7/18/2020 5:50:46 PM
Hanaldo - 7/18/2020 4:45:34 AM
That is unfortunately just the nature of wet laid composites, they are generally full of voids like that and getting consistently good results is very difficult. Won't have anything to do with the release agents used. 

This is why resin infusion and pre-preg are so highly rated, because it is so much easier to get a consistently void free surface.


So with this said I am jumping to conclusions that vacuum bagging wouldn't improve things much?  Is that true?

 It can, but it takes quite a degree of skill to get consistently good results. Typically a wet-lay vacuum bagged component would also have a fair bit of surface porosity. 

Wet-lay vacuum bagging essentially uses all of the same equipment as infusion, so there isn't a really compelling reason to use vacuum bagging over infusion when infusion can deliver perfect results very consistently for very little extra cost. It is mostly just the learning curve of learning a new process like infusion that can be a little bit tricky, so it depends on how much you want to put into this. If you just want one RC body and you'll like never do it again, stick to wet-lay and just put your time into sanding/recoating/sanding/recoating etc. If this is something you're finding you enjoy and you may make a few things and you don't mind investing a little bit to make it easier for yourself, then go for infusion. There's nothing quite like demoulding a component that is flawless and ready to go straight from the mould.

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Hanaldo - 7/18/2020 11:19:41 PM
LibertyMKiii - 7/18/2020 5:50:46 PM
Hanaldo - 7/18/2020 4:45:34 AM
That is unfortunately just the nature of wet laid composites, they are generally full of voids like that and getting consistently good results is very difficult. Won't have anything to do with the release agents used. 

This is why resin infusion and pre-preg are so highly rated, because it is so much easier to get a consistently void free surface.


So with this said I am jumping to conclusions that vacuum bagging wouldn't improve things much?  Is that true?

 It can, but it takes quite a degree of skill to get consistently good results. Typically a wet-lay vacuum bagged component would also have a fair bit of surface porosity. 

Wet-lay vacuum bagging essentially uses all of the same equipment as infusion, so there isn't a really compelling reason to use vacuum bagging over infusion when infusion can deliver perfect results very consistently for very little extra cost. It is mostly just the learning curve of learning a new process like infusion that can be a little bit tricky, so it depends on how much you want to put into this. If you just want one RC body and you'll like never do it again, stick to wet-lay and just put your time into sanding/recoating/sanding/recoating etc. If this is something you're finding you enjoy and you may make a few things and you don't mind investing a little bit to make it easier for yourself, then go for infusion. There's nothing quite like demoulding a component that is flawless and ready to go straight from the mould.


I appreciate the solid advice.  I have ordered a kit from composite envisions to help me get started.  Any advice on infusion resin?
Ill be doing only carbon fiber or a hybrid of fiberglass and carbon for the color/visibility reasons.

The epoxy infusion resin composite envisions sells is out of stock.  Sad
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