Vacuum gauge reads -27..-29


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I have the Easy Composites resin infusion starter kit with the VP425 vacuum pump. My vacuum gauge is reading min. -27 even if the hose is clamped. In the video tutorial, it was reading -27 and he said “it should be reading -30... well, nowhere near... there's clearly a leak”. I know there is no leak because it stays -27 for hours.



To narrow down issues, I bought a new vacuum gauge and this one reads -29.



Do you have any such experience? Do you think the vacuum pump is working properly?



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It's highly likely that it just atmospheric conditions as, in colder weather, you do tend to see the needle not quite hitting -30. During warmer weather you might see the needle go a touch beyond -30.

Might also be worth checking where the needle sits when no vacuum is pulled as, if the gauge gets a knock it can throw out the calibration a bit. My own one is slightly out also.

Key thing is that there's no visible or audible evidence of a leak anywhere



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Those vacuum gauges are more an vacuum indicator than accurate measuring tools. The pressures you are aiming for during an infusion are far beyond the accuracy of these gauges. If the bag is leaking, and it is not an huge, easily located leak, we are talking about 10mbar (0,3in hg). This would already be hard to see, but the tolerances make it even worse. As you already discovered, two gauges show different results.
Without investing in a digital tool, you have to aim for "maximum" vacuum, whatever this means for your gauge. If you are sure everything is without leaks 27 might be your new 30.

Three tipps:
-The cheaper pumps, like yours, change their sound, if your system is (almost) leak free.
-where did you clamp the hose? As you claim that it holds -27 for hours, I guess you clamped the hose to the pump. Maybe your connection to the pump is not perfectly air tight.
- did you open the little rubber cap at your gauge? If not, this might be the problem.

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Thanks for letting me know I don't have to buy a new vacuum pump Smile
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oekmont - 11/23/2017 4:35:53 PM
Those vacuum gauges are more an vacuum indicator than accurate measuring tools. The pressures you are aiming for during an infusion are far beyond the accuracy of these gauges. If the bag is leaking, and it is not an huge, easily located leak, we are talking about 10mbar (0,3in hg). This would already be hard to see, but the tolerances make it even worse. As you already discovered, two gauges show different results.
Without investing in a digital tool, you have to aim for "maximum" vacuum, whatever this means for your gauge. If you are sure everything is without leaks 27 might be your new 30.

Three tipps:
-The cheaper pumps, like yours, change their sound, if your system is (almost) leak free.
-where did you clamp the hose? As you claim that it holds -27 for hours, I guess you clamped the hose to the pump. Maybe your connection to the pump is not perfectly air tight.
- did you open the little rubber cap at your gauge? If not, this might be the problem.

Yes, I pierced the rubber cap on the gauge. I clamped just the hose to the catch pot.

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All the comments above are accurate.

In addition. altitude and atmospheric pressure can play a significant part too. 

As said, the biggest indicator of  being at almost full vacuum is the change in tone on the pump  as it comes off load.  The noise will reduce and the pump will no longer give off a oil vapour. A  Vacuum Leak Flow Indicator can also be a good aid to checking that your bag has no leaks during bagging and also to look for any air movement after a leak test.


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Rotary vane pumps are very low maintenance and nearly indestructible. It is very unlikely, that the problem is caused by the pump itself. I would recommend to check the connector, and keep on carbonating.

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