Problems infusing Soric


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Hello and greetings from Germany,
i've infused a test laminate on a glass plate to determine the infusion properties, weight and stiffness of the Soric core material, but i'm not satisfied with the result.

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The thickness of the glassfibre at the edges is about 2,3 mm, where the skins of the sandwichcore composite have a weight of 624 g/m^2 on each site and a 2 mm Soric Core was used.
The used resin system provides a pot life of 210 minutes.
150 g resin + hardener were mixed and degassed under vacuum, so the infusion could be started.
The next 100 g portions of resins were mixed and left for 5 - 10 min on the table for degassing.
As a feed reservoir i used an angular placed glass pot, so that the following resin portions could be poured in slowly to avoid sucking air bubbles into the feed line.

I did not saw any air bubbles were pulled into the feed line and the vacuum pump was on over night.
1h after the infusion was completed, i've looked the last time at the laminate and the fiber and the channels in the soric were still fully impreagnated (clear appearance).
Now i'm a bit confused about the bad milky result.
Is it because i did not degassed the other resin portions under vacuum or is it because a did not set the braking zone properly in combination with the long pot life of the resin, so that too much resin was pulled out of the laminate?

Alexander
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Skout (17/11/2015)
Hello and greetings from Germany,
i've infused a test laminate on a glass plate to determine the infusion properties, weight and stiffness of the Soric core material, but i'm not satisfied with the result.

Sounds like you did everything right,but! It looks resin starved and I suspect leaving the pump on at full vac has caused the vacuum end of your laminate to degass continuely.
I would first shoot for getting a perfectly sealed bag and after another infusion clamp off the lines.
Another fix is to lower your vacuum once done so there is no chance of degassing in the bag.
Hope this helps. I have used soric with no problem but always with a perfectly sealed bag and clamped off after the infusion.
Fred 


http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/28878178/20151116_172028.jpg
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/28878186/20151116_172138.jpg
http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/28878234/20151117_102543.jpg

The thickness of the glassfibre at the edges is about 2,3 mm, where the skins of the sandwichcore composite have a weight of 624 g/m^2 on each site and a 2 mm Soric Core was used.
The used resin system provides a pot life of 210 minutes.
150 g resin + hardener were mixed and degassed under vacuum, so the infusion could be started.
The next 100 g portions of resins were mixed and left for 5 - 10 min on the table for degassing.
As a feed reservoir i used an angular placed glass pot, so that the following resin portions could be poured in slowly to avoid sucking air bubbles into the feed line.

I did not saw any air bubbles were pulled into the feed line and the vacuum pump was on over night.
1h after the infusion was completed, i've looked the last time at the laminate and the fiber and the channels in the soric were still fully impreagnated (clear appearance).
Now i'm a bit confused about the bad milky result.
Is it because i did not degassed the other resin portions under vacuum or is it because a did not set the braking zone properly in combination with the long pot life of the resin, so that too much resin was pulled out of the laminate?

Alexander

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Did you use any infusion mesh at all? 
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This general air appearance could be if the vacuum was turned off too soon? this lets the laminate spring back a bit and it pulls air in??

A possibility.




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Yes, i used infusion mesh, but i was a bit in a hurry and did a silly mistake.
I swapped the feed and the catch line, so i did the infusion in the wrong direction.
As i realised my mistake, the infusion already has been started.
The picture shows the vacuum bag setup.
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Why did you try and resin infusion across the long direction of the part ?

I believe it would have been easier to run the mesh, spiral and feed/vacuum lines across the longer edges ?

This would reduce time and resin flow required through the soric.

I'm no expert, but I always try and make the process as simple and easy as possible.

No matter how many times I have resin infused, I always double check my course notes and the very good tutorials online.
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All part of the learning curve. Expect a few slip-ups, as these will help shape you meticulousness in the future
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