Equipment for applying gelcoat


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I see that the GC50 is used before laying up the carbon on high gloss parts. But what do you use to apply it? I think the easy composites gelcoat spraying cup gun is a bit expensive, is there other ways to apply it and still get a high gloss result? Can for example a plastic spray bottle be used?

For those that use the spray cup gun, how do you clean it after use?
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Plastic spray bottle? 

Realistically the best way to spray it is to use a regular HVLP gun with a 2-3mm tip. This is much much less messy than the G100 dump gun, so if you're doing anything smaller than a large bonnet then it's perfect. 

The G100 is super easy to clean, that is its advantage. Just unclip the cup and throw it away, then wipe the lid and nozzle down with acetone. Takes 30 seconds. 
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Hello,

Does anybody know if I can spray infusion epoxy resin before laying up the carbon instead of using GC50?
I'd like to get a high gloss finish but, GC50 is not available in my country.
Any other idea?
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What country are you in? Can you get Scott Bader Crystic Glosscoat or Duratec Sunshield where you are?

You can spray infusion resin as a coating, however there are a number of issues with it. The biggest is probably that infusion resin is not thixotropic at all, which means it will run and sag extremely easily on any inverted surfaces, and will want to pool in the lowest areas. Also, with most epoxies being a 100% solids resin, it doesn't 'flash off' at all, meaning you can't really spray coats and allow them to set-up before spraying the next coat. Another potential issue, is that most epoxies do not polish well at all. This is fine if you can pull the part straight from the mould and be happy with the finish, but if you need to do any sort of polishing to obtain a high gloss finish then you're in for a bad time.



Perhaps a better alternative is to spray a polyester or vinyl ester infusion resin as your coating. Whilst these also aren't thixotropic and will tend to sag, you can thin them down with MEK and allow them to flash between coats to get a bit more of a consistent coating. Polyester will polish up much better than the vinyl ester, but the trouble is if you are infusing with an epoxy then you won't get a bond between the coating and the laminate. Vinyl ester will bond better, but may not polish up as nicely.



In short, yes it can be done, but no it's not really ideal. You'll have some trouble doing it, but you may be able to make it work if you're really in a bind.
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Hello Hanaldo,

I'm in Peru. Here is even very difficult to find epoxy resin. So I'm trying to use some kind of replacement somewhere, since it can't be shipped from the UK.
I'd like to make a car bonnet, so I've a whole infusion kit. However, as first project I'd like to try smaller pieces but with the same high gloss finish as the bonnet project, so I can feel more confident that I can succes with the bonnet project using carbon fiber.
I'm trying to find an epoxy resin with similar features as the easy composites epoxi resin one. That's why I ask for using the same epoxy infusion resin to spray in the mould in order to get a beautiful high gloss finish as the one showed in the tutorial video.
Obviously, I'll never find Scott Bader Crystic Glosscoat or Duratec Sunshield.
Any advice about how to be successful in this project and the next ones?

Thanks.
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Unfortunately when you can't get hold of things then you may need to stick to more traditional methods using materials you can get hold of. 

You would get better results simply infusing the part without an in-mould coating. If your tool is good then your part will be good. I would suggest doing this and then deciding whether you are happy with the finish. If you are not, then you might consider clear coating the parts to get the finish you are after. 
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Hi!

IMHO, your best option is to try to locate a supplier of Epoxy resin that can be used for infusion.

check out marine/boat suppliers .. they may have usable things, even in Peru  :-)

I take it that there are also car paintshops?  They can probably provide you with the mirror gloss finish you want, by clear coating the finished CF part.

It will probably cost you less than trying to experiment your way to a less satisfying solution with in-mould coats before infusion .

Another thing is ... parts do not become a lot easier to do by being smaller .. they just make mistakes and errors cheaper BigGrin

I have made several small parts (Bike mudguards, windshields, numberplate holders e.t.c.) by using good quality "rattle-can" (spray-can) clearcoat ..
I had to experiment a bit to find a really good spray-can clearcoat, but it can be done for small parts ..  For big parts such as a bonnet, I would not even attempt a 2-k spray myself, on large surfaces, even though I have some experience doing motorbike tanks and fairing parts. I pay the pro's to do their job .. Rolleyes

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Bah, where's the sense of adventure Dravis!? Tongue

Large parts are no more difficult to spray than small parts, in-fact in some cases a bonnet is much easier than a smaller more complex part. Of course, you wouldn't want to do it with a rattle can, you'd need a proper spray gun. But still... The only times I've ever run into trouble with my work is when I've got other people involved. I'm still paying for the last job I got a professional spray painter to do for me. Even highly reputed professionals cut corners sometimes. These days I do everything myself, to make sure it's done properly.
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