Thermal compression moulding


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steveastroUK
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Thanks to Matt and Paul for the idea, and after a fair bit of research, I found the solution to my surface finishing issue from my pressure bagging experiments/

Gentlemen (and any lady lurkers) , Let me introduce "Thermal compression moulding". Its not a panacea to all moulding ills, and it takes some special kit somewon't have, but here we go.

The method relies on the high thermal expansion of silicone rubber to provide high mould forces, without a messing with bags. You can get very clever and use multiple blocks of silicone to pressure really nasty bits of CF.

Method.
1.) Wax up your tool - use sheet wax.
2.) FILL the mould ALMOST completely with silicone rubber (condensation cure: around 2 litres here)
My mould is CNC milled aluminium
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lmBurZeb9mM/Te5vKRjfPpI/AAAAAAAABGQ/amvqasA54Do/s288/IMAG0163.jpg

3.) Remove cast plug after 24 hours.
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4.) Layup mould: this is VERY tricky. We put two finish layers in each half of the tool, and struck them off with a knife. Then we wrapped two pieces of bulk CF prepreg around the silicone.
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5.) Assemble metal tool, put in silicone.
6.) Whack up 6 M12 screws to lock the halves together.
7.) Put in an oven 80 deg C, 8 hours.
8.) Demould tool !
9.) PERFECT result.

(removing the silicone IS a bitch)

Wrinkles to the technique:
1) load the silicone with 30% carbon black to increase the thermal conductivity.
2.) Mould around a tapered aluminium core that can be extracted after moulding to allow the silicone to be removed easier......
3.) Experiment, by embedding a thermocouple in the plug, and find out the time constant of your plug: Tailor the temperature profile to ensure maximum expansion of your core when the pre-preg reaches your cure temperature. Remember that the rubber is not terribly thermally conductive.
4.) Leave space in one end as a dead volume that can be used to control mould pressure, by filling the volume with thin metal plates.

Pictures when I have 'em.
Edited 12 Years Ago by steveastroUK
Matthieu Libeert
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Thx for the information, good explenation...
Small little remark that could be worth testing, I've been having a theory for a while, using expanding 2-component PU-Foam...
PU foam expands 20times in volume and generates alot of force in a closed environment...If I find some time inbetween schoolwork I will test it one day Smile

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You're thinking of a process akin to reaction injection moulding. In RIM, tool pressures are typically only around 50PSI - I think I have vastly higher pressures than that.

Steve
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Oh ok, thanks for pointing out the name of the technique, indeed it was something similar I was thinking of!

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Hello.

Nice work...

If u dident have a massive slicone core it maby is easyer to demold...

My idea is when u make the core put a metal pipe in the center as big as possible then put in the silicone..

When u make the part u have the pipe inside the cor but when u demold u take oute the pipe first and the silocon core is not so stiff...

I hope u understand my bad english..

Magnus
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batbyggare (20/05/2012)
Hello.

My idea is when u make the core put a metal pipe in the center as big as possible then put in the silicone..

When u make the part u have the pipe inside the cor but when u demold u take oute the pipe first and the silocon core is not so stiff...


You'd have to calculate the effects on the expansion of the silicone, if you take some out like that. The volumetric expansion of the silcone depends on the volume of silicone you have to begin with, I'd lose the compressive effect if I removed the volume

Next time, I'm tempted to load the core with carbon black, and put a tapered rod in the curing silicone, which will be removable easily after we pull the CF from the mould. The rod would only be about 25mm diameter, and wouldn't make a lot of difference to the expansion property,

I hope u understand my bad english..


Your grammar was fine, but please don't use "u" for "you", it makes you look about 12 years old, despite your intelligent comment.....

Steve
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Some very nice work in your folio Mattieu. Well done.

Steve
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are you talking about the portfolio on my website? Smile 
everything is still in dutch but I'm working on a new one Dutch/English because I graduate this year! Smile

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This is very interesting being a newbie is have been wondering how complete radiuses mold were done, is this the normal way or are there any good examples online?
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I've been running around with the idea of using this technique but can someone tell me what type of silicone was used here? can you use any 2K silicone for this or is this a special silicone?

Matthieu Libeert
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