tips on using soric for the first time


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Hi all 
Iv been making smaller parts using infusion the EC way with some nice finishes so i want to have a go at making a bonnet

Im going to make it the same as the vid on the site using 
200g carbon
2mm soric
200g carbon

Has anybody got any tips on using the soric because iv never used it b4 and im worried about print thru and i want it to go well first time

And any tips or advice on doing bigger parts in general?

Does it normally take longer to infuse use soric?
Ne help is much appreciated 
Thanks daz 
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I've started using it recently and it is extremely easy to use!  Treat it just like cloth and you'll be fine.  If you use the soric as infusion media it does slow things down quite a bit but it does work.  If you use the small cell stuff that EC sell there's no print through either.  The larger cell soric does give a print through on the reverse side.   The only warning I would give is that you run the risk of seeing it through the cloth if you're using a single layer.  Any slight separation of the weave will reveal a little white of the core.  I've been very pleased with it
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Flow speed will depend on your resin system and other factors so it's difficult to give guidance there, but generally it does flow a bit slower than with flow media. 

As for print through, it's pretty safe to say that you will get it. Perhaps not straight away depending on your cure schedule but it generally does show through at some point in the parts life. An in-mould coating or clear coat of some kind will definitely help hide it, but the best thing to do is allow the part to cure prior to demoulding for an extended time at room temperature (24 hours minimum but the longer the better), then do an increased temperature post cure. 

Generally print through will be much worse if you speed up the initial cure with heat, so the longer you can leave it in mould at 25 degrees the better. 
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Ok cheers lads 
Do u think it would be best to use just the slow hardener to prevent gelling up because iv been mixing fast and slow for the smaller parts and there normally cured by morning
Iv used just slow b4 and it took ages to cure 
As for the print thru would it help if i stacked it a little different like doing

200g carbon
200g carbon
soric 
300g glass fibre 
and maybe another layer of glass fibre
is the peelply needed??

Thanks again people i love how helpfull people are on here
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The bonnet is roughly a metre sq
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Print-through is a phenomenonthat will always occur to some extent. You can do things to reduce it but itwill always be there, whether you’re using chunky fabrics and polyester ofvinylester resins or whether you’re using fine fabrics and epoxies. There aresome things of course that you can do to reduce the effect.

 

Things that makeprint-through worse:

 

  1. Using heavy weave fabrics like 12k or 24k fibres; they are physically more textured and so will ‘print through’ more onto the surface.
  2. Using resins systems with a high-shrinkage like polyesters or vinylesters. Epoxies have a much lower shrink and so will show print-through less.
  3. Releasing parts from the mould too early (i.e. before the resin has fully cured) - this can have a really dramatic effect.
  4. Post-curing parts ‘off the mould’ (i.e. after you have release them from the mould). This will increase print-through because without the mould to keep everything flat, as the resin softens slightly during the elevated temperature post-cure the fibre will ‘push’ on the surface and print-through.

 

Things that will makeprint-through better:

 

The obvious things areavoiding or reducing all of the above points such as using finer fabrics, usingepoxy resin, ensuring parts are fully cured before releasing and doing anypost-curing on the mould. The use of a compatible gelcoat will significantlyreduce or completely eliminate print-through.

 

In addition, you’re likely tofind that running higher resin ratios in your laminate will also reduce theeffect of print through since it’s the fibre that causes print-through; by ‘suspending’the fibre in more resin then it’s less inclined to push out its texture ontothe surface once the part is release from the flattening effect of the mould.

 

As with many post-curecycles for resins, the post-cure cycle for our IN2 Epoxy Infusion Resin is nottoo sensitive (which again explains a range of suggested cycles) and a range ofdifferent post-cure cycles will produce good results, specifically improvedmechanical performance and elevated HDT/operating temperature. Post-curingparts that will be used at or exposed to elevated operating temperatures (suchas vehicle bonnets/hoods in direct sunlight, engine-bay parts, car interiorparts etc.) is strongly recommended to prevent distortion of the parts whenthey are put into service and experience these higher temperatures.

 

Where possible,parts should be post-cured still inside the mould to reduce distortion andimprove surface finish (i.e. reduce 'print-through'). When post-curing parts inthe mould, it is important to post-cure them without demoulding at all (i.e.don’t demould and then put them back into the mould) otherwise you can get somestrange patterns on the surface where some areas are post cured in direct contactwith the mould surface and others are not.

 

A simple and veryeffective post-cure cycle with the IN2 Infusion Resin (or EL2 EpoxyLaminating Resin) is as follows:

 

CYCLE #1 SUITABLEFOR MOST SITUATIONS

 

  1. 24hrs at room temperature
  2. 6hrs at 60°C

 

If you’reencountering any surface finish issues (faint print-through) then you canexperiment with a slower 'ramp rate' which sometimes improves things:

 

CYCLE #2SUGGESTED FOR SUBTLE IMPROVEMENTS TO SURFACE FINISH

 

  1. 24hrs at room temperature
  2. 2hrs at 40°C
  3. 2hrs at 50°C
  4. 5hrs at 60°C

 

If you need topsuh the HDT of the finished part higher then you could increase post-cure upto a maximum of 80°C as follows:

 

CYCLE #3SUGGESTED FOR HIGHEST POSSIBLE HDT/OPERATING TEMPERATURE

 

  1. 24hrs at room temperature
  2. 2hrs at 40°C
  3. 2hrs at 50°C
  4. 2hrs at 60°C
  5. 2hrs at 70°C
  6. 4hrs at 80°C

 

These are all just suggestions. Most situations just call foroption #1; 6hrs at 60°C. Many customers also find that they can dispense withthe 24hrs cure at ambient and simply load newly infused parts into the oven tobegin the cure however this is something that you would need to experiment withyourself. A cure at ambient temeprature before post-cure is generally favouredwith most resin systems.



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