Bamboo Bike Frame


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BambooBikeBuilder
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I am building a bamboo bike frame and plan to make the joints out of carbon fibre. Some people recommend hemp as a joint because it has a similar thermal expansion coefficient. I however like the aesthetic and structural properties of carbon fibre. That being said, I have never used carbon fibre and am wondering what resin I should use. I am also debating whether to use fabric or tow. I plan to purchase the carbon fibre skinning starting kit to try it out. I will be abutting the bamboo to each other and then wrapping the carbon fibre around the joint. Are there any suggestions or books that anyone can recommend? I am very appreciative of your advice.

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What I  recomend to you is to look on youtube and personal bloggers that do their own carbon frames.... the very most uses aluminium reinforcements on the joint's... the cheap carbon frames on the market are all like that also...  I brooke a few.... 

The best I tink it's to start small scale and try to attach 2 bambo sticks using carbon fiber with diferent twills, diferent resins and see what will work the best....

So u can have and idea what testing is...

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/santa-cruz-bicycles-test-lab.html
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Thanks Kyle. I agree that is a good strategy. I work in an engineering department at a university and plan to do structural testing of the bike. I will post videos when I complete them. Any resin/twill combinations that you would suggest?
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I suggest that U try to know as much as U can from home bike builders... and companies too... but they are not to keen on delivering information.... the main problem that U will have are the bonding parts.... the stretch on the bambo its not the same that carbon fiber... when stressed it could separate... it hapends alot of aluminium/carbon composites frame. 
When U solve that problem, you have another torcion on the back end of the bike.... bamboo seems to me a very elastic material.... the rear triangle of a MTB bike as to be firm... or the power will fade away...  for those you'll have to do a very large piece to cover up the bambo and reduce the elastic effect...



I dont have any specific way to do that... I would put together  a 90 degree joint with  2 bamboo sticks... and start doing experiments. and forcing then to see how far they go... 
Maybe some Kevlar to give some extra support and bonding... try also so sand the bamboo before apliing the epoxy... It's never been done as far has I know... but I know a helmet brand that uses natural fibers from coconuts I think.

http://www.bike-mailorder.de/shop/images/product_images/popup_images/24824_0.JPG


So the ideia its not that bad!!!! keep on pushing !!!! 
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Lugs

I have just finished uni and havebeen looking at optimizing carbon lugs but so far I cannot give you any majorpointers other then starting off orientating the fibersin all directions and maintaining laminate symmetry.

By having fibers in all directions(0/90,+/-45) you end up with a material that is comparable to an isotropicmaterial (metals ect) in that its properties are pretty uniform. Symmetry isrequired to reduce interlaminate shear stress as the upper face is deforming ata similar rate to the lower face. So for the lugs I would give (+/-45,0/90,+/-45) a go.


I personally would give the internalmetal lugs a miss, especially if you will be structurally testing the frame beforeyou park your rump on it, although you will need a jig to get the frame niceand straight. 1200g or lower is achievable for a 56cm frame.


Also there are other technical fibers(I think milled cotton is one) that can be used to drop the density of theepoxy making it ideal for making radii at the joints prior lamination.


Resin


I recommend epoxy over the cheaper vinylesterand polyester resins as it won't shrink during cure and it generally has bettermechanical properties all round. Considering that you probably won'tbe using an oven..... A slow room cure epoxy is recommended such as westsystems 105 with 206 hardener (decent marine grade epoxy.)


Formatof carbon and manufacturing process


Both tow and sheet are fine to use. Itis strongly recommend that you vacuum bag the lugs, it will make it a heck loadeasier to get the carbon to form the desired shape and it will make it significantlystronger as it will reduce the void and resin content if done properly. Alternativelythe cheaper and easier method is to use shrink tape but the end productprobably wont be as good.


Parlee use prepreg sheet (not really applicable due to absence of an oven) and usesilicone moulds to aid adhesion, although not completely necessary it is a nicemethod. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y0UK9W0Rl0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22AnlUprKs0


Whereas from what I can tellcompanies like calfee just vac bag. In fact somewhere on the net Calfee has anice vid where you can see then using tow although given a quick search cannotfind it.....


Limitationsof bamboo


Woods would make a very competitiveframe to other materials if you could order the fiber orientation, but youcan't so I recommend the largest profiles possible for any element in torsion,i.e. the downtube and chainstays. This way you gain stiffness by the increasein its moment of inertia whilst not putting on too many grams thanks to the lowdensity of the material. This is exceptionally important if you are heavy (fora cyclist this is 80kg+,) like sprinting or just don't want a noodle of a bike.


To deal with the differentialexpansion I have been recommended to seal the bamboo with epoxy when it is atlow water content.


I hope my rant was of use and is the frame a conventional two triangle setup or something exotic?


 


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I made on a few months ago, here's the video...its more of an overview...maybe you can get inspired or find some usefull things...


I suggest you would use CF tow and Epoxy Resin. Epoxy is stronger than polyester but a bit more expensive... 
I'll include you a good tutorial from instructables...great tutorial and I would do it exactly the same way Wink
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Like the trike, definitely different. I put together a rough old design using good old paint.
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