Can I make this? (Carbon/Aramid, PrePreg, Inflatable Bladder, Aluminum Inserts)


Can I make this? (Carbon/Aramid, PrePreg, Inflatable Bladder, Aluminum Inserts)
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iso9001
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Fasta (23/02/2014)



Even simpler is to use a solid silicone intensifier or core.

So you would need to cast the silicone less the skin thickness in your mould using CSM or sheet wax.

Silicone expands a lot with heat and makes good pressure so no need for bags, bladders, pumps or compressors but you will need an oven for pre preg.

You may need to form some kind of extension to the silicone so you can grip it to remove. If you wanted you could also cast it with a metal tube down the centre simply to reduce the silicone since it is expensive. Maybe the tube could be withdrawn and then the silicone would also release/remove even easier?

I have made small yacht parts like this and it works great.



You don't happen to have pics and/or a silicon product link do you?

I like the idea of undersizing the silicon. And using wax sheets seems like a good way to get the thickness I want/need. I COULD cut a foam mold for the silicon, but if I don't have to cut two molds, then all the better! Not having to keep positive pressure throughout the baking seems like a plus. But I agree with the idea that I might want to stengthen the mold halves as much as possible. Good thought on the metal tube as well.

Someone above wrote on CNC and my budget. I have Free CNC. That is, I do all the CAM and run the CNC router at my work, after 5pm it might as well be mine, unlimited use.


To everyone else, I'm actually still not understanding how this could be done with a vacuum...?
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http://smarttooling.com/

Take a look at this.
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To do this with vacuum you need to run a tubular bag though the moulds and also a bag over the outside of the mould too. The bags are taped together at the ends.




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Vacuum understood.

Smart tooling link also interesting. My product requires very specific outside dimensioning, do wrapping a mandrel definitely is out. And I'm very supervised a wrapped bladder will expand at all, seems like the composite thread doesn't have that much stretch to it.

I'm liking the idea of a silicon or latex plug undersized to the mold. Lay up both clamshell halves, insert plug, combine and lock down, then bake. Seems very clean and straightforward. Does anyone have a video of this anywhere?



Issue: I don't think silicon core is going to work :/ It seems the people using this method are also using very strong molds as the silicon exerts a tremendous amount of pressure on the molds. I saw one reference to aluminum molds (outside of my budget/reach) and even then bolting it together and putting that inside a press! I'm looking at composite/wood/plastic molds, so maybe balloon at least would allow for being able to customize the pressure?
Edited 11 Years Ago by iso9001
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I think that a split composite mould will be plenty strong enough with the rough circular shape that it has. Just lay it up thick, 8mm or more thick should do it.




Edited 11 Years Ago by Fasta
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Not the best photos but the way these are made is the same way as you could make your parts. 




The last two below were test parts and the internal bag was at its maximum so they were not perfect but good enough for the purpose of test fitting.

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