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Hi Mike,

If you're infusing you shouldn't be using the Elasti-Film, it doesn't work well with infusions because the stretchyness of the film means that it fills the contours of the infusion mesh, slowing down the infusion significantly. It does seem that quite a few customers who have used the elastifilm with the infusion mesh have had problems with the mesh puncturing the film in the way that Fred has mentioned (i.e. on cut edges). This wasn't something that we were aware of because we already knew that the Elasti-film isn't good for infusion (it also sticks to epoxy resin which makes removing the mesh from the peel-ply more difficult). As Fred says, there's post where this has been discussed in a little more detail which also promted us to add this information to the ElastiFilm product page.

All the best, Matt

Matt Statham
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Aha! Cheers Fred will look again at the current part I have bagged
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Hello

I had the very same problem when I first started infusions. I posted the fix some where on this site.

But in a nut shell this is where my leaks came from. The infusion mesh. It occurred to me that the cut edges of the the infusion mesh are sharp and they would puncture the bag every time. Not so much that you couldn't infuse, as long as you didn't shut the vacuum pump off. I was so frustrated that I thought that it was impossible to get a leak proof bag.The punctures were so slight that you couldn't track them down with a leak detector.

What I do now is cut strips of peel ply and lay it over every last infusion mesh cut edge under the bag as well as the spiral tubing. especially the ends of the tubes.

From the first time I tried this I have now had at least 14 perfectly sealed bags in a row and don't expect anymore. I once drew a full vacuum on a mold (and didn't infuse it) and it held a full vac for weeks and counting.

Hope this helps.

Fred
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Hoping for some help here.  My bagging is basically 50/50 ie one success to one fail. I'm making the bags using both the standard EC bag and the stretchy stuff depending on the part. I try to take a lot of care in making the bag and I feel I'm fairly precise with it but when do the vac drop test the needle will often pop up when I release the clamp.  Try as I can in terms of checking the tape and the bag, it's usually the case in a failure that all the pressing and checking will not find a leak, but there is one there of course.  Is there a device which can find a leak? I have tried everything including smoke to try to find a leak to no avail.
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