Aluminium Bicycle Frame - weld crack repair - guidance needed


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Hi all,

I purchased a lovely bike 2nd hand, and it has developed (or was sold with) a crack on one of the seat stay welds. I have no chance of a warranty, and ebay cant help. I spoke in person to my very reliable local bike shop who offered some hope. Basically I don't want to scrap the frame, I like fixing things and quite frankly I cant afford a new frame. 
They suggested that
1. the crack isnt too bad, and many people would ride on it no problems..I'm not one of those people. This is paraphrasing a long conversation, with a frame builder.
2. Frame builder suggested that a carbon support/'lug' could be created using Carbon Fibre Tow and epoxy of some sort.
He used the examples of many bamboo bikes being created using similar materials.
The pic below gives some idea of what the crack looks like - but it hasnt reproduced that well here. lower section of left weld area.



I think what Im trying to achieve is not a full repair like a weld might provide (probably unachievable in aluminium) but a bit of a safety net in terms of strength support, and if the tube was to shear, some sort of control of that - i.e. not stabbing into a thigh or similar!

Does anybody here have any experience of a similar repair, i.e. a fairly complex shape, aluminium.
If so - what materials might be best, in terms of weight of Tow and epoxy type, and or -is it even worth a go?


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Lester Populaire - 6/12/2020 3:20:18 PM
Hello tomBIKE

I'm an avid biker myself and recently built a frame as well. In fact I'm sitting in the train home after the first really long ride with it!
In my opinion it is unfortunately a little more complicated than you probably envision. there is a number of issues:

Carbon fibers composites are a lot stiffer than aluminium, which means that when you deform a hybrid part with aluminum and carbon the carbon will take the majority of the load. This is especially problematic as carbon has a lower elongation at failure than the aluminum. This difference in stiffness creates big shear stresses at the interface.

Carbon and aluminum are quite hard to bond. A halfway decent bond can be achieved quite easily with proper roughing and scoring of the aluminum, but to get a really good bond you need to acid etch the metal which is nasty.

And last but not least the area of the crack is really tight and achieving proper fiber alignment will be hard. It certainly was the area i struggled the most on my frame.

Oh and one more point actually once covered in carbon you do not know what is going on underneath. So the crack might be growing and delaminating from the composite layer without you knowing until it fails.

So to sum it up: a repair is certainly possible but i would not recommend it as a first project. I personally would drill a 1.5mm hole at either end of the crack (and make sure it really is the end of the crack...) to get rid of the stress concentration and then ride it and keep an eye on it to see if it keeps spreading. If it spreads i would repair it.

If you want to attempt that, give us a heads up and i and the others will talk you through. Now you know the problems that come with such a repair and hopefully can make a more informed decision...

That is brilliant information - many thanks. Very informative. I dremmeld an area of paint off the frame today, and took it for a short spin - the crack (
initially not visible) manifested itself again after a smoothish 6 miles.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to live with the frame as it is, drilled or otherwise, although I do see the logic in what you are saying. Time to strip the parts off and see if anyone on ebay has a use for the nice forks and a possible repair project.

Genuine thanks for the informed response.


Tom

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                                     nice site - never heard of commencal - some interesting ideas.
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