polyester mould/epoxy compatible gelcoat


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SakerProject
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Hi,

I'm a teacher and work with teenagers and am considering building a kayak with one particular class group. I already have a mould from which one successful polyester/glass boat was pulled about two years ago. The mould is also polyester/glass with a polyester gelcoat. The mould needs some minor modifications to change aspects of the kayak design that have become apparent in the meantime. Basically, I'll need to cut six slots, remove some material and then re-glass up the mould to make it rigid again. The total area of the modifications will be 6 slots each about 1 inch by 3inches. I intend to make the new boat from resin infused epoxy with a mixture of reinforcements including carbon, diolen, glass and kevlar with soric as a core material.

I understand that a polyester mould is risky to be using with epoxy, so my first question is whether the epoxy compatible gelcoat will lessen the chances of the new component sticking to the old mould?

The second question is whether I should use other materials to modify the mould to prevent there being any fresh polyester in contact with the new component? (if so, which materials?)

Third question, what release agent should I use? (the mould has a good finish and was well prepared with release wax previously),

Thanks,

Donnacha.
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Matthieu Libeert
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Ok, I'll give it a shot Smile

First thing to know, that you probably know is:

epoxy wil bond well to polyester,
polyester wont bond well to epoxy
epoxy/polyester will bond to epoxy/polyester.

so if you're willing to make epoxy out of a polyester mould it can get really difficult to get parts out of your mould (had the problem myself, vinylester mould with epoxy gelcoat)
Even when waxed more than usual with mouldrelease wax.

will you redo the entire mould with epoxy compatible gelcoat or just the specific parts?
It's always better not to mix to much different types of resin on a part, mould to avoid possible problems.

second remark is, if you're willing to redo the mould with epoxy compatible polyester, the epoxy-made-part will bond to the epoxy compatible polyester (where your mould is made of)
This means your part will bond to the mould.

why not repairing the mould with polyester gelcoat and fiberglass to stiffen it up again and make your part out of the epoxy compatible gelcoat and than infuse it with epoxy?
set-up: polyester (mould) - gelcoat (polyester on polyester can "easily" be demoulded with enough releaseagent) - epoxy laminate.
I dont know if you know it but there exists a polyester infusion resin also...

For polyester parts out of polyester mould I usually use 5layers of mouldrelease and 2thin coats of mouldrelease spray, just to be sure... works out great every time.



Note: I haven't used the GC50 epoxy compatible polyester gelcoat yet, just thinking logicaly after reading the description on the EC website.
          I'm used to work with my materials/resins because its sadly quit difficult for me to get the EC-stuff (I'm from Belgium). This means, different types of resins can react differently...



I hope this helps you a bit more, maybe some other guys on the forum used to the EC-stuff can help you a bit more on the products with their experience
          

Matthieu Libeert
Founder MAT2 Composites X Sports
website:
www.mat2composites.com




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Hi Matthieu,

Thanks for the response. I should have made it more clear, I had intended to use the epoxy-compatible gelcoat on the new part, not re-do the mould surface with it. You're right, logically this should get around any release problems, I just want to be sure before I order a bunch of stuff and destroy a bunch of other stuff! Hopefully some staff member might respond.

Donnacha.
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