Hand Layup + Vacuum Bagging Techniques (doubts )


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Hello Friends, 

I'm making some parts in carbon fiber (aesthetics) and I know that for this type of product we have some particularities in the manufacturing process. 
Using 3 layers of carbon fiber and epoxy resin with gel time of 290 minutes and pot life of 120 minutes.

My doubts are as follows:

- What's the ideal time to apply the vacuum in my laminate?

- How long should the part stay in the vacuum connected?

A friend told me that for aesthetic parts the ideal would be for me to apply the vacuum a little before the gel time of the resin and for being close to the gel time I can use vacuum above 600 mmHg.

Can anyone help me with this question?

My main problems with Wet Layup + Vacuum Bag were:

Dry parts: - Excessive vacuum or vacuum at the wrong time.

Bubbles / Bridges: Vacuum at the wrong time where the resin was already in the gel time, so the vacuum could not remove them.


Thanks Guys!!

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Most traditional vacuum bagging you will bag straight after laying up and leave it bagged until cured. No timing it until it gels or any other complicated procedures.  You will need to use no more than around 20% vacuum or you will dry the part out.


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Warren (Staff) - 3/19/2018 10:37:10 AM
Most traditional vacuum bagging you will bag straight after laying up and leave it bagged until cured. No timing it until it gels or any other complicated procedures.  You will need to use no more than around 20% vacuum or you will dry the part out.

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20% vacuum? How do you achieve that? I thought the perforated peel ply regulated the resin content?

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Steve Broad - 4/26/2018 10:27:27 PM
20% vacuum? How do you achieve that? I thought the perforated peel ply regulated the resin content?

Preparing to be educated :-)

The release film can only do so much, at the end of the day it is just holes in a piece of plastic. How much resin comes through those holes depends on resin viscosity and vac pressure.

Ideally you would regulate the pressure with a vacuum regulator, as this allows you to set a precise level as well as keep the vacuum pump running until cure. Otherwise, if you have a perfectly sealed bag then you can simply pull vacuum and use a gauge to get to approximately 20% or whatever you are aiming for, and then just clamp it up and leave it. Obviously if you have a leak then this doesn't work, which is why having a regulator is an advantage.

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Hanaldo - 4/26/2018 11:07:06 PM
Steve Broad - 4/26/2018 10:27:27 PM
20% vacuum? How do you achieve that? I thought the perforated peel ply regulated the resin content?

Preparing to be educated :-)

The release film can only do so much, at the end of the day it is just holes in a piece of plastic. How much resin comes through those holes depends on resin viscosity and vac pressure.

Ideally you would regulate the pressure with a vacuum regulator, as this allows you to set a precise level as well as keep the vacuum pump running until cure. Otherwise, if you have a perfectly sealed bag then you can simply pull vacuum and use a gauge to get to approximately 20% or whatever you are aiming for, and then just clamp it up and leave it. Obviously if you have a leak then this doesn't work, which is why having a regulator is an advantage.

Thanks

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