Xencast Flexible Polyurethane Rubber


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Hi all,



I've got a few questions regarding the 'new' product 'XenCast Flexible Polyurethane Rubber' advertised on your website.

Basically I'm making a couple of moulds with the intention of casting 'Vac-Cast Epoxy Resin' into them,  what I need to end up with are two perfectly reproduced tooling plugs for vacuum forming my final parts into ABS plastic.



The following image will hopefully explain in greater detail my procedure.  I've recently used a product from 'Smooth-On' called 'OOMOO 30',  but had a disastrous result.  I must admit,  as good as it seems to be I just hate working with it.  Here's what my original mould box looks like with my plug secured in the base,  I then poured the silicon rubber into the mould box .........  it was an awful lot of work,  trying to mix what was a consistency of partly molten lava,  and the impossibility of pouring made the job needlessly difficult,  the result was a failed pour and a very badly formed mould  !  >>

 



Pouring the mix in a thin stream in a low corner was just impossible,  I almost had to resort to 'trowelling' it in ! >>

 



When I demoulded the following day,  it wasn't too bad,  but strictly speaking an appalling result.  Not something I would want to cast resin into that's for sure .........  I put it down to a good learning experience  >>





Because the silicon rubber wasn't 'fluid' enough,  full coverage of my plug wasn't achieved,  leaving large voids and air pockets  >>

 









So basically,  my question is,  would that 'XenCast flexible Polyurethane rubber'  be an alternative to OOMOO 30  ?

I've been looking at the 'XenCast PX30',  it seems to have the same characteristics as the OOMOO 30  ( both Shore A of 30 ),  how will it react to Vac-Cast Epoxy Resin being poured into it  ?







To further explain my situation my entire procedure is here >  Headlight mounting bracket moulds
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nc42 (12/01/2017)
Unfortunately the road to knowledge in the composites and mold making world is paved with money!

That said don't write off Smooth-on. I've used many of their products in the past and they make quality products and usually have above average customer support. Also in the technical data and the product info page it does say "These products have a limited shelf life and should be used as soon as possible." Might be an expensive lesson but let it be a lesson to read all the available information on what ever product you're looking to use, maybe read it 2 or 3 times!!






Absolutely nc42,  quite agree .........  Read, and re-read the products DataSheet 'before'  you place an order .......  and not after  you've placed your order as I did !  Blush  With the products datasheet set aside for when I would need it,  the day that I would need to work out the mixing ratio's .........  not only is that shear stupidity, but as you say ......  a very expensive lesson learned !  You're absolutely right about not righting off 'Smooth-On,  their technical staff were very helpful and straight onto the problem right away.  As they informed me that they did occasionally have 'bad batches' of the the product,  the batch number or LOT number soon showed mine wasn't,  but still agreed that they were going to give me 10% discount if I should re-order some more.

I was tempted ..........  but I also really needed to know how good the CS25 was from EC,  so I ordered that.  I will still use the OOMOO product in future projects,  but not projects the size of this one.  As OOMOO 30 ( or 25 ) are very expensive.  So as a cost saving exercise I ordered the CS25 from EC.  While I was there,  I ordered myself the full degassing system  BigGrin   This way,  I'm not tied down to using products that are considered 'degassing not necessary',  and I can of course use the system for resins  >>

 




Quick question on the RTV silicone if I may .........  I placed an order for 'CS25',  but it says 'CS2'  on the containers.  I know from reading EC' website that the CS25 is a newer formula .......  so what did I actually get ?
The 'old' stuff ?






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