Suggestions needed for producing part from this mould


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Hi I have been building things from glass fiber for years and carbon more recently. And finally got round to joining this forum - Hello all. I wonder if anyone can offer some advice? Having been given a mould by a friend I am trying to make some carbon parts. The size of the part is approximate 20 - 10cm and is an internal car door escutcheon.  I originally though I could infuse the part but it is too small and fiddly for that (the problem I was having was holding all the reinforcement in place while i make it). So I was thinking a hand layup and then vac bagging - but then most of the time that would result in pinholes in the surface and possibly bridging from the non flexible nature of the peel-ply. How have others approached similar problems? 

Many thanks in advance  

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If I had these moulds laying in front of me I would go for infusion to get the best results, or prepreg if you have the infrastructure for that.
for infusion to keep everything in place you can use the fusionFix https://www.easycomposites.co.uk/fusionfix-gp-spray-adhesive don't apply on your mould but drape the first layer and then fix all the edges with some extra fabric and the spray.

Vacuum bagging could work as well but not sure if it will give better results or solve more problems...you might get some problems with bridging and so on


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Thanks Matthieu, I think to do that I will need to make the flanges bigger on the mould and give it a go with the infusion as I am not set up for prepreg (which probably would be the best idea).

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You should have enough flange on there, just trim your materials after you get it fixed into the mold.  Using tape and a thin coat of spray adhesive will work great.

With the vacuum bag, be sure to be generous when pleating it so there's no bridging. 
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matthieutje65 (27/01/2016)
If I had these moulds laying in front of me I would go for infusion to get the best results, or prepreg if you have the infrastructure for that.
for infusion to keep everything in place you can use the fusionFix https://www.easycomposites.co.uk/fusionfix-gp-spray-adhesive don't apply on your mould but drape the first layer and then fix all the edges with some extra fabric and the spray.

Vacuum bagging could work as well but not sure if it will give better results or solve more problems...you might get some problems with bridging and so on






Won't the fusionFix create some marks on the carbon?
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if used in good amount, which mean as less as possible, and not spraying on the mouldside you shouldn't have problems Smile

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yes, less is more when it comes to spray adhesive.

Warren posted some details up somewhere about making your own from thinned activated resin - do a search and you should be able to find it
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Thank you for the replies, it all makes sense. I am adding an extra flange to the mould though, as the was only a couple of centimeters space between the part and the edge and it made it really awkward to get the stack of reinforcement in position. Once I have made the part I will let you know.

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 It has taken a while!!  So after extending the mould edges and using fusionfix I have been able to get pretty reasonable results. But I am having the age old problem of slight voids, where the reinforcement is not flush to the surface. Perhaps with some practice this will lessen.
   However while at a motorsport event I came across some complicated engine grills, which seemed to have similar voids but from what I can tell the resin was pigmented, so they were not readily apparent. My question is would a slightly pigmented infusion resin help in this case, or has anyone even tried it?

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They possibly used a tinted polish like Turtle Wax Colour Magic or Pai Crystal Easy Gloss. These can help to disguise voids quite well. 

Tinted resin would likely also work, but it's much better to just get the process right. Nothing will disguise the void when it starts developing stress cracks... 
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