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Darren
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this is the second attempt at this part, same problem each time, seems to have dry ares or air voids.
Any advice would be great, cheers
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Matt (Staff) (09/06/2012)
Thats interesting, could you suggest an approx level?I have tried quite a few experiments lately and always get a dry surface/ pinholes.
In our experience, really quite low! - Try 1/2 bar or maybe even lower. You can also reduce the amount of perforation you're using in your release film - to do this you can use an
Un-Perforated Release Film
and actually then perforate it yourself giving you total control over how perforated it is.
Like everyone's mentioned, vac bagging is a trial and error process on every new part. It can certainly be 'got right' and will produce great results when you find the right balance of resin quantity, perforation and vac level but even for the best of us it's a trial and error process.
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Thank you, I have started to think in these term and will try it, think I bought unperf last time.
Lets say I switch to infusion, how many layers of CF will it penetrate?
If you remember I make some motorcycle parts and amongst them a self-supporting rear unit,
seat-tank without a rear sub-frame.
In places the thickness will be 5-7 mm, will infusion penetrate all those layers of CF? (some UD fibers in there also.)
I guess the answer is yes with the corrects routing and blocking of the feed,
in that case is that expert stuff that I should practice until perfection, or straight forward?
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Lets say I switch to infusion, how many layers of CF will it penetrate?
Baja Patient is right, the resin will go through as many layers as you have in your laminate. Resin flows well through woven reinforcements (particularly twill weaves). I've never known a laminate too thick to infuse.
In places the thickness will be 5-7 mm, will infusion penetrate all those layers of CF? (some UD fibers in there also.)
The UD fibres won't infuse very well; they sit so tightly packed that the resin would find it difficult to get through. If you're using unidirectional carbon with infusion then you should use UD that has
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weft (i.e. it is 90% UD with some glass or carbon running the opposite way, like a woven fabric but with the vast majority of the fibre running lengthways. UD in this format is particularly common as a tape (a strip of woven material between 100mm and 500mm).
I guess the answer is yes with the corrects routing and blocking of the feed, in that case is that expert stuff that I should practice until perfection, or straight forward?
Well, making a structual subframe itself is certainly not basic/beginner work but if you've designed it correctly, the actual infusion should not really present any problems that would not be encountered when infusing something less ambitious.
All the best with it,
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Thank you.
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Darren
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13 Years Ago
If your bag is 100% holding vacuum then run more resin into the part at the end of the infusion. If...
Warren
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Sorry forgot to say this is just wet lay up then bagged
Darren
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Wet lay up is always hit and miss, no matter how many times you try.
Shaneer22
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Wet-layup and then vacuum bagged is notoriously tricky to get rid of all imperfections, it looks to...
Paul (Staff)
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[quote][b]Paul (Staff) (07/06/2012)[/b][hr]Wet-layup and then vacuum bagged is notoriously tricky to...
prsw
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[quote]Thats interesting, could you suggest an approx level?I have tried quite a few experiments...
Matt (Staff)
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[quote][b]Matt (Staff) (09/06/2012)[/b][hr] [quote]Thats interesting, could you suggest an approx...
prsw
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[quote] Lets say I switch to infusion, how many layers of CF will it penetrate? [/quote] Baja...
Matt (Staff)
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Thank you.
prsw
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Hii morning from Indonesia, Laying up the epoxy resin before reinforce the fabric, wait until the...
Leon
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Hi this I know and have tried, but firstly it does not make a 100% difference, with the same...
prsw
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If you switch to infusion, depending on the actual infusion speed, the resin will penetrate all the...
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